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  • Final Cut Pro > Pro Tools > Final Cut Pro?

    I'm new to all this. I've been working in Pro Tools since Sound Tools / Turtle Beach 56K days... but video? Well, I was thrust into it by the demands of my day gig and here I am.

    There are a ton of resources for learning video editing/titling etc... but when it comes to desktop audio for video, things are a little thin. So, Final Cut Pro. I love it. And my tutorial/marketing productions are coming along nicely.

    But working audio...

    Final Cut's audio paradigm is awkward. The simple act of effecting 20 individual, consequtive voice over files on a single track with a single EQ filter is... doable... but...

    I want to keep the separete files to better time my VO. But how to efficiently and intuitively process them?

    Mixing music beds and whooses etc. is all there but... once again, it's not PRo Tools. Yes, I'm aware Vegas is audio dude freindly but, I'm learning, and loving FCP. So...

    Does anyone having a working knowledge of FCP > PT FCP round tripping?

    Or do I really have to learn that funky Soundtrack Pro?
    Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

  • #2
    You use Pro Tools and import the movie. You can then tweak audio and save the file(s). Re-import and open in FCP and you have you enhanced audio in FCP. Use as many audio tracks as you need in FCP. You can turn them off and on as needed. Do it all the time. Works great.

    You can import video only into PT and loop record the the VO, too.
    <div class="signaturecontainer"><b><font size="2">&quot;The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.&quot;</font></b> - <i>Hunter S. Thompson</i><br />
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    Band promo shots on railroad tracks were cool in 1981...<img src="http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="facepalm" class="inlineimg" /></div>

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    • #3
      hey! Thanks for answering! So for sync...

      How do I consolidate all the separate voice files into one contiguous file starting at frame 0? I assume this is how you keep sync going back and forth?
      Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

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      • #4
        Keep them all as individual tracks, get the timing perfect and export as a single file. You can adjust each file frame by frame in FCP or PT. Once you are happy you can export the audio and video as a self contained movie. It will not overwrite the original files so you can always go back and re-tweak as needed.
        <div class="signaturecontainer"><b><font size="2">&quot;The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.&quot;</font></b> - <i>Hunter S. Thompson</i><br />
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        Band promo shots on railroad tracks were cool in 1981...<img src="http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="facepalm" class="inlineimg" /></div>

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        • #5
          So... do I export in OMF from FCP to do what you're saying?

          Edit: I'm on PT 7.4 LE which I don't think imports OMF. I'm looking into a means of export a FCP audio track as one file starting at frame zero. If I can get that... I'm home.
          Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

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          • #6
            OMF is a standard. You can do wav or aif too. They are all importable. Depends on how and where you want to play the files.
            <div class="signaturecontainer"><b><font size="2">&quot;The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.&quot;</font></b> - <i>Hunter S. Thompson</i><br />
            <br />
            Band promo shots on railroad tracks were cool in 1981...<img src="http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="facepalm" class="inlineimg" /></div>

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            • #7
              So... do I export in OMF from FCP to do what you're saying?

              Edit: I'm on PT 7.4 LE which I don't think imports OMF. I'm looking into a means of export a FCP audio track as one file starting at frame zero. If I can get that... I'm home.



              We crossed over there.

              "Edit: I'm on PT 7.4 LE which I don't think imports OMF. I'm looking into a means of export a FCP audio track as one file starting at frame zero. If I can get that... I'm home."

              See, my issue... I've no doubt I can bring anything into Pro Tools. But I need to retain my timing info. Without OMF I'll need a continuous file starting at zero from from FCP. then open in PT and process and mix and export the bounce and import to FCP. Lo-tech sync. ???

              Unless I'm missing how I can open edit timing from FCP to PT without OMF. Forgive my neophyte status here.
              Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

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              • #8
                Are you treating audio and video as separate files in FCP? You can adjust the timing in FCP. What version of FCP are you using? I'm using PTLE 8.0.4 and FCP 7.0.3.

                Describe exactly what you are doing. I think I might have a much easier way of doing this.
                <div class="signaturecontainer"><b><font size="2">&quot;The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.&quot;</font></b> - <i>Hunter S. Thompson</i><br />
                <br />
                Band promo shots on railroad tracks were cool in 1981...<img src="http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="facepalm" class="inlineimg" /></div>

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                • #9
                  OK... I record VO as separate segments. VO_01,VO_02, etc. A sentence, a phrase. All place on one FCP audio track, seperate segments. I then cut my video to the VO segments and fine tune the placement of the VO files going back and forth. To end up with everything cut and timed. Titling, transitions, music and effects timed. Now...

                  ...those separate VO segments are on track 1 for instance. Music on 3-4. Some whooses etc on another track. If I were to export the VO segments, my placements gets hosed. I need to either have PT see the timing or render the VO track to a single file starting at zero. Then import into Pro Tool and work with the music etc. Use all the nice automation that I'm well used to in PT.

                  Then save as a stereo bounce and bring back to FCP.

                  It's the bringing it into PT and not loosing the placement of those separate VO segments I'm looking to achieve...

                  Somehow consolidate first in FCP? And the best I'm coming up with is to add a blank dummy header, just some nothing bu a .wav file starting at zero. Then export that soloed audio track as a Quicktime file to be open at zero in Pro Tools. Do the same to each of the other audio tracks. Then import render video to Pro Tools and continue working the audio. Bounce to Disc and re-import to FCP...
                  Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

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                  • #10
                    If I were doing that project, I would do all the VO and audio work in PT and export into FCP to compile the final movie file.
                    <div class="signaturecontainer"><b><font size="2">&quot;The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.&quot;</font></b> - <i>Hunter S. Thompson</i><br />
                    <br />
                    Band promo shots on railroad tracks were cool in 1981...<img src="http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="facepalm" class="inlineimg" /></div>

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                    • #11
                      I complete all audio edits in FCP. Once everything is where it needs to be I export the audio for processing and mixing.

                      I've also worked on plenty of projects where we completed all audio editing and mixing on PT and then moved to Avid or FCP to cut video to the ST or even old tape based systems for video editing to a completed sound track.

                      When I used to produce promos for TV, the standard for a :30 spot was 1 day of audio, 1 day of video and 1 day of motion gfx. That was for a higher end spot. Most were more like crank out a :30 and all it's variations and cut downs in 1 session, including mixing audio and adding graphics with whatever platform you were editing on.

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                      • #12
                        Well... I'm very happy with FCP. And I love Pro Tools. And I'm confident there is a professional workflow using both apps for round tripping. So I'll stay with these and work it out. Thanks.
                        Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

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                        • #13
                          FCP excels at Video with some audio capabilities. Pro Tools excels at audio with some video capabilities. You can do what you want but don't get caught up with starting at the zero time code. Keep audio and video separate until the final export. You can export audio as wave files and do the round trip. Import the audio and video as separate files and do your magic.
                          <div class="signaturecontainer"><b><font size="2">&quot;The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.&quot;</font></b> - <i>Hunter S. Thompson</i><br />
                          <br />
                          Band promo shots on railroad tracks were cool in 1981...<img src="http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="facepalm" class="inlineimg" /></div>

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