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Originally posted by Razenstein OK so I am probably way, way out of my league here, so I will apologize now...with that said I have been looking into PC recording and well there is alot out there, but for me, I really want something for guitar and vocals...something with drum tracks. I was thinking of Gutar Tracks 2.0 (Cakewalk)...but the problem is its for Windows 98, and for XP, I would need to look into Guitar Tracks Pro 3.0, which is lik 2 1/2 times the price, with alot of xtra features...I also heard that GT 2.0 is not being sold anymore. Can anyone help me? Thanks.
bump for this. I am in the same situation and don't know too much about pc recording. Is guitar tracks 3.0 a good program for me, I want something fairly simple and efficient that will produce quality recordings and not break the bank. Or is there better programs for that?
Guitar tracks 3 should be good enough to do a decent demo - it is pretty much Cakewalk Sonar but slightly "gutted" for guitarists.
I believe you can download a trial demo of it and see if it works for you. Other software for straight ahead demos - Ntrack, Cubase SL, Magix Music Maker & Magix Studio. They are all capable of doing decent multitracking.
If you are on Apple - Garageband should do the job well.
I want a sequencer that supports 24/96 Khz audio recording, is loop friendly, and will jive well with fruity loops. I will most likely only be recording one track at a time (guitar). Quality effects plug ins would be a big plus. Midi is not as big a consideration, but I want the option for the future. I was contemplating Sonar, but Cool Edit Pro recently caught my eye and I wanted to learn more.
I started with Cool Edit (not Pro) and then upgraded to Audition when Adobe bought out Trillian software. Smart move for Adobe. They quickly integrated Audition into their product family and are promoting it with Premier. Of course, you don't have to use it strictly with Premier. Audition will strip the audio from most video fromats so you can fix camera niose, add background tracks, normalize levels.
But they did't strip out the multitracking capabilities. I use it mostly for making demos, editing the HORRIBLY poor mic audio from home-video cameras.
I also make drum loops from sample CDs. While it's a bit tedious, I have some friends that prefer to play against an "acoustic" loop compared to a drum machine.
Adobe released Audition 1.5 last Sept. While I haven't upgraded yet, the list of new features, including VST support, is really nice. Check it out at: ttp://www.adobe.com/products/audition/
You can use MIDI in tracks with Audition, but since I'm not a composer, I haven't had the need to try it. Looping is pretty dran simple - and easy though.
If you need a good, inexpensive audio editing and recording suite, this one is worth it.
I think that Adobe Audition 1.5 may just be for me. I've used CEP before and like the interface. I just bought a new laptop (enroute now) and will be pairing it with a Presonus Firepod (most likely). Since I understand the CEP interface, AA seems like a no-brainer to me.
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Originally posted by Ether Cakewalk all the way so far.. ( of course the more recent the version the better it gets, but I still prefer Pro 9 ) Great Midi and audio interfacing... easy to use, plug-ins latch on effortlessly...
Just got Sonar and something else (don't remeber name) Get back to you on those.....
You do know that the first Sonar was essentially Pro Audio 10, right? You're saying "Cakewalk all the way" and you don't realize that Sonar is a Cakewalk product?
P>S> For those who don't know Intel chips is the way to go... less drop out's
P>S> Stop talking out of your ass.
I have built more than one AMD-based DAW with no problems at all. Drop outs in audio aren't usually caused by the processor anyway.
You registered at this forum about a month ago and have made 17 posts at the time I'm writing this. I would suggest reading the thread before adding your comments. Nothing you've said on this thread sounds like you have any experience, and even if you do, nothing you've said is useful.
You are recommending Pro Audio 9 over the most recent version of Cubase? What the hell does "plug-ins latch on effortlessly..." mean?
Seriously, if you don't know what you're talking about, just don't say anything and don't embarass yourself. There are people here who know tons about this stuff, and it's not like they're going to miss the fact that you're just parroting **************** from message boards and reviews from like 6 years ago when Pro Audio 9 was current...
"but then the vst plugins really shine.."
Yep, and you can use them with Sonar and other Cakewalk products too. If you want to find out how, you should read this thread instead of just adding your uninformed 2 cents.
-Hmmmm....I think it is you that is talking out your ass... I am quite well aware that sonar is Cakewalk.I have 3 different versions of it. Yes, Cakewalk all the way!I still prefer Pro 9 for initial recordings, then bounce the tracks through various other programs.
I know many a professional musician, who will tell you quite adimantly, that intel chips are much more trustworthy and dependable than Amd (seeing as I run with both chips), and that most music stores will tell you the same. Registered last month? I have been here for years. I like changing my handle, keeps them guessing.
Expirience?I've been playing with computers since the age of 6, I am now 31. My first "serious" use of Pc enviroment recording was with an Atari St1040 using cubase with midi sync boxes attached to my tascam 8 track because the 1040 only has 1mb of memory and only supports midi recording. I'll pull it out of my closet if you would like.
Yes I recomend Pro 9 over Cubase, most people who ask questions about software are new to it. Pro 9 can be found just about anywhere on the net for free (If you like it, buy it). Plug-ins? I should have been more specific. Stand alone plug-ins.
You should learn not to judge people you don't even know, I would also recomend some Pepto-Bismol for that Verbal Diariah of yours! That is my "informed" 2 cents.
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I, on the other hand, am very satisfied with Cakewalk Home Studio 2 XL. It always works with my MIDI synth and I rarely have true problems with it. It has done everything I want it to, usually it's just a matter of me learning how to do it.
True, I have never used a higher-level recording program, but Cakewalk HS 2 XL has fulfilled all my needs and I've gotten some decent recordings out of it.
Originally posted by Ether Expirience?I've been playing with computers since the age of 6, I am now 31. My first "serious" use of Pc enviroment recording was with an Atari St1040 using cubase with midi sync boxes attached to my tascam 8 track because the 1040 only has 1mb of memory and only supports midi recording. I'll pull it out of my closet if you would like.
Uh, you might want to try running stuff through a spell checker before you post it... Just a thought.
It's not worth it to talk about "expirience" here, and I'm not interested in a pissing contest, but you also don't know when I started learning about computers, how old I am now or that I have a degree in computer engineering, have built my own A/D converters and modified soundcards... But whatever.
The point is the **************** you were saying made no sense and wasn't useful to anyone reading the thread. That's all I was saying.
What the hell is a "stand alone plug-in?" A plug-in, by definition, does not stand alone.
I know many a professional musician as well. I also know that just because they are professional musicians doesn't mean they know **************** about pc processors.
Say what you will, but I'm not really inclined to listen to someone who can't even spell "diarrhea" correctly when he's attempting to put someone else down.
I have been with Cakewalk since Pro Audio 6 and upgraded religiously through SONAR 1.3.1 until I finally said ENOUGH!
I realized they were never going to address the important issues. Sonar really shines in looping and midi but it is STILL the worst PC app for audio. It is less expensive than some of the others, but you need to buy several enhancements to make it worthwhile for audio. It does not have an integrated mastering suite, the included audio plug ins are ALL hobbyist level or worse. When the audio engine is playing, most of the important features are disabled so working in sonar has a very on/off feeling to it. If you are looping over a section of audio, you cant just arm a track and punch record. Youve gotta stop the transport first! Buzzkill. Plus, actions that are enabled sduring playback often cause gapping and stuttering. Try samlitude and you will forget about SONAR. It is a toy in comparison for audio.
What is worse is the SONAR audio engine sounds terrible. I thought I was having problems creating space in my mixes until I tried samplitude and then I realized the fundamental quality of sonar is flawed. They claimed to have improved it, but im through with those clowns.
Unfortunately, the cakewalk marketing machine appeals to computer nerds and digit heads (I am a software engineer so I can say this) with huge feature lists, bundles, and useless "major" revisions (cash whores), so obviously it is prominent in the computer music world, but it has the worst quality sound. Its roots were in midi sequencing and it still shows. It will never be taken serisouly as a pro app for this reason, even though 80% of hobbyists run it.
I think sonar can be useful when slaved to another app through rewire, just using it for its ACID emulation (if acid were still in busines and supported rewire it would be over for sonar) dont rely on its audio engine or effects or non-existant mastering, or its very non-musical environment.
When I tried samplitude I immediately realized how much money I wasted on SONAR. The audio engine sounds great! The transport is fluid and important actions can be performed during playback (feels like hardware). The included FX are top notch. It has a great mastering suite. Won Computer Musics 2004 "Audio Editor of the Year". It now supports rewire so an app like sonar or (better) the lightweight ableton live can be synced for looping.
Please dont fall into the cakewalk trap. They give away the cheap versions in bundles, get you hooked, then you're stuck down the road, searching for qualities it doesnt have. If you are doing primarily audio, check out samplitude.
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Cakewalk has been attempting to address user complaints and requests for features as can be seen by the subsequent versions of Sonar released Since Sonar1. Sonar3 consists of a new batch of code written from the ground up, which has been improved upon in Sonar4.
The Producer Edition of S4 not only comes with quality plugins, but ones that function in surround sound.
There are many free quality plugins that will work with Sonar, and their recent purchase of RGC Audio, demonstrates a positive step toward providing even more substantial plugins. I've been using the free SFZ soundfont player from RGC and it's excellent.
There has been more than one accusation that other digital recording programs have audio engines that sound better that Sonar's. In studying the problem, Cakewalk finally determined the issue was adjustable pan laws that Sonar lacked, which other programs featured. It was never an issue of audio engines sounding better--which is a subjective determination--but rather one of the engines sounding different. The fundamental quality of the Sonar audio engine is indistinguishable from that of any other DAW software. Sonar4 has selectable pan law settings.
I'm using Sonar4, think it sounds great, think it has great features, and as for it being a toy, the learning curve is substantial, as evidenced by the manual, which is over 700 pages in length. Sonar has come a long way since version 1.0.