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  • #46
    Originally posted by androidd
    I wonder how the pres compare to the MTA Signature One/Two models Malcolm previously designed.


    The interesting thing is, it is the exact same design as the Signature Series mic amps, only we used better components like the Burr Brown INA217's. So, while it is the same design, we feel there is an improvement.

    Funny, everyone always really liked the Signature Series mic amps, and the ATC-2 are the exact same design as the the old ones...
    Alan Hyatt
    PMI Audio Group
    Joemeek Studio Projects Toft Audio Designs Valley Audio
    toll free:877-563-6335
    e-mail: alan@pmiaudio.com
    url: www.pmiaudio.com

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    • #47
      Originally posted by alanhyatt
      and the ATC-2 are the exact same design as the the old ones...


      ...and a Vintech and a Great River MP-2NV are the same design as a Neve
      .
      CN Fletcher

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      R/E/P -- professional Recording Engineer and Producer forums... serious hobbyists welcome

      mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
      We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid

      "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -A. Whitney Brown

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Bloodyujo
        how would you compare the pres to something cheaper like the rnp?


        They're different. They're also not "cheaper"... the RNP may be 'less expensive' in terms of 'sticker price'... but it also doesn't do a fraction of the gymnastics possible with the ATC-2... you're price shopping apples and oranges...
        .
        CN Fletcher

        Professional affiliations:

        R/E/P -- professional Recording Engineer and Producer forums... serious hobbyists welcome

        mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
        We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid

        "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -A. Whitney Brown

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Fletcher@mercenary.com


          They're different. They're also not "cheaper"... the RNP may be 'less expensive' in terms of 'sticker price'... but it also doesn't do a fraction of the gymnastics possible with the ATC-2... you're price shopping apples and oranges...


          Fletcher,

          2 questions, if you'd be so kind;

          1.) Accepting the fact that trying to describe music is like playing charades in the dark,...Could you try and offer some insight on the sonic qualities of the pres? What didnt you like about 'em?

          2.) What makes the compressor unsuiteable for the 2-buss?

          Much appreciated
          AmpsPETERS AMPSClipzFOR SALE: -CHARVEL DEAD CALM AQUA-EVH Wolfgang Special MIJ

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          • #50
            I thought the pre was kinda bland and unexciting... and the compressor didn't track left to right as well as I would usually like for 2 buss work... it's a nice 'fast' kinda thing... but IMO just not for 2 buss.
            .
            CN Fletcher

            Professional affiliations:

            R/E/P -- professional Recording Engineer and Producer forums... serious hobbyists welcome

            mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
            We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid

            "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -A. Whitney Brown

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            • #51
              Thanx Alot
              AmpsPETERS AMPSClipzFOR SALE: -CHARVEL DEAD CALM AQUA-EVH Wolfgang Special MIJ

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Fletcher@mercenary.com


                ...and a Vintech and a Great River MP-2NV are the same design as a Neve
                Alan Hyatt
                PMI Audio Group
                Joemeek Studio Projects Toft Audio Designs Valley Audio
                toll free:877-563-6335
                e-mail: alan@pmiaudio.com
                url: www.pmiaudio.com

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by alanhyatt
                  I am sorry you find the mic amp "bland and unexciting". I find it quite good and useful.


                  Again... a little perspective here... as I mentioned in the original bit... I'm running them up against some pretty heavy ****************... yeah, in my world they're going to be shot out again stuff like a Martech MSS-10... or a Crane Song, or a Great River... etc.

                  Having riden in your talking car from ze fatherland... I find my '94 Dodge 'Shadow' pretty bland and unexciting in comparison... but it gets me to work and home most days if you catch my drift...
                  .
                  CN Fletcher

                  Professional affiliations:

                  R/E/P -- professional Recording Engineer and Producer forums... serious hobbyists welcome

                  mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
                  We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid

                  "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -A. Whitney Brown

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                  • #54
                    --==-->>bump<<--==--

                    thought i'd revive this thread to see if any home/project studio operators have evaluated this unit yet.

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                    • #55
                      Word on this thing kinda died in the vine looks like. I haven't heard anybody reviewing it anywhere. Must not be too great or there'd be a buzz by now. I had thought about getting one at one time until I read Fletcher's not-so-glowing review of the preamps.

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                      • #56
                        Do they not teach 'reading comprehension' in the schools any more? I'm flummoxed... absolutely flummoxed.

                        I said that the mic amps in a "2 channels for $1,000 does everything but laundry" box can't keep up with $1,950 per channel mic pre's... roll $3,900 on a pair of mic pre's and you very well might hear the same difference I heard.

                        Go figure.

                        I said a '94 Dodge Shadow isn't as ****************ing slick as 2002 Mercedes [I have no idea what model it was other but it was huge with all kinds of fancy GPS **************** and leather seats]... I also said that the fore mentioned Dodge shuttled my ass to work and home every day... in other words, it does the ****************ing job.

                        The pre's in the Toft ATC-2 will do the ****************ing job.

                        They're better than the pre's you'll find in a Mackie, in a Behringer, or in a Presonus box costing hundreds of dollars more... what the **************** do you people want.

                        ****************... next time I'll ****************ing lie, OK? Is that what you ****************ing want?

                        I give up.
                        .
                        CN Fletcher

                        Professional affiliations:

                        R/E/P -- professional Recording Engineer and Producer forums... serious hobbyists welcome

                        mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
                        We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid

                        "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -A. Whitney Brown

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                        • #57
                          Reading comprehension is just fine here. You said the pres in the unit "suck." I know-- to you that's a relative term. But no one gets excited about a pre that will "do the job." An Audiobuddy will do a job. ( Well we're back to relativity. ) There has been no buzz about the product anywhere ( anyplace that I frequent anyway, which is my only reference point ) as there was about, say, the RNP, RNC or SP C1 and others. Merely making an observation easily verifiable to anyone (on the same forums as myself) who has been watching for this particular phenomenon as I have. I'm, for one, very glad when you and anyone else with experience gives an honest opinion. No need to get your drawers in a wad.

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                          • #58
                            You said the pres in the unit "suck." I know-- to you that's a relative term


                            Sure, but he qualified that in detail...I come away from his review with the impression that the EQ is the selling point of this box, and while the EQ's don't stack up to, say, a single-channel preamp-only box that's almost twice the price of this dual-channel pre/EQ/compressor combination, they're on par with most of the other offerings in their price range. Seems pretty clear to me what it's relative to.

                            -Duardo

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                            • #59
                              I know what it's relative to. My point was that there was little word on the product on the BBSs. And there isn't.

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                              • #60
                                I've been using one of these, and I have no complaint. It is the most usefull piece of gear I own. The mic pre's do not "blow" or "suck". They bring out my mic's just fine. Sounds sit in mixes better than they do with my other pres. The EQ is sweet. The compressor, while not exactly dramatic, is a great levelar, and flexible enough to get tracks nice and stable, or smoth, or downright flat. I really find this thing works great as a DI. Or on a mix down send. Or as a post processor. Or as a channel strip. Or even as a mic pre!
                                It kicks ass on the ART and Focusrite Plat.
                                And it's a dual strip.

                                If it's going to cost me $4k to do better than this, I'll get studio time where someone else has that kind of bank, then take a vacation to Hawaii, come back and get that dental work done, and pay off a few traffic tickets.

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