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  • Best way to get tracks from Roland VS 1880 to Computer?

    Can anyone tell me the best and most useful way to get songs transferred from my VS 1880 to my computer for more matering? Thanks guys.

  • #2
    I am slowly moving from my VS1880 to total PC DAW usage (except when my PC starts glitching and I miss the days of trouble-free recording).


    Unfortunately, and it is the number one reason I did not consider upgrading to a higher model of Roland device, the folks at Roland decided to do a proprietary thing and disallow the easy creation and movement of Wav files. You must play them and record them to get them in-out. (I figured that with that much lack of forsight and alignment with standards, who needs them). The CD-burner, as you know by now, is DOG-SLOW and can only write two tracks at a time(For those who don't know the VS-1880 I'm talking about having to re-enter through many menus to write the next two tracks AND it only writes about 2X).


    I use two methods:
    1: for moving a stereo track I use the digital outputs (either fiber-SPDIF or RCA-SPDIF to avoid multiple D/A->A/D conversions. If you have the proper DOUT(1 or 2) set to the master bus then you only need to play it (make sure no effects are on). To return data to the VS-1880 I patch the digital input to a track. To send, the VS1880 must be master clock. To receive on the digital inputs the master clock must be set to External and your PC must drive the SPDIF clock(the EXT SYNC light must be on in the upper right corner of the VS-1880).

    2: for many tracks, on the master page where you can select BUS assignments, select master out 1-8. That puts tracks 1-8 on the 8 outputs: Monitor, AuxA, AuxB and Master. Then on that same bus selection page you can select to send tracks 9-16. You can not send the "Master tracks" 17/18 that way I think.

    If you want to keep the alignment of tracks you can try SMTPE by using the Rolands' MTC and MMC. OR, it is actually easier to just put a sharp signal across all the tracks before any real data and align that.



    ken
    Ken J Kelly

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    • #3
      Originally posted by kenjkelly
      Unfortunately, and it is the number one reason I did not consider upgrading to a higher model of Roland device, the folks at Roland decided to do a proprietary thing and disallow the easy creation and movement of Wav files. You must play them and record them to get them in-out.
      The VS-2480, 2400, 2000, as well as the BR-1600 and 1200 can all convert multiple tracks (or all tracks, you pick) to .WAV or AIFF files and then burn them on a CD. Pop the CD in your computer, drag the files into your DAW, and they're all lined up.

      The BR-900, 864, and 532 make it even easier. There's a .WAV converter utility available for your computer.

      The reason your VS-1880 doesn't support .WAV conversion is because when it was a current product, that feature wasn't in great demand. Remember, your recorder predates the huge migration from hardware to software.

      Same reason why the XP-30 doesn't have a USB MIDI interface built in.

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      • #4
        So would you recommend doing it all on my 1880? Just ignoring the computer option? Any tips on mastering with the 1880?

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        • #5
          Just a thought.....if he had a later machine or had access to one..... could he export his 1880 tracks to it and then convert?

          ie .... do those machines have a facility for importing tracks from earlier Rolands?
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          • #6
            The reason I moved files to the PC was that the PC editors allow seeing much more. For example, try using Adobe Audition on a wave file. You can cut at beat boundaryies, de-click, remove noise, see which frequencies are happening at a given spot, automatically tune vocals to a given key etc.. Using the multitrack features of Audidtion you can take several "takes" and select the pieces of each take that you want to use - without cut/pasting or altering the original files!

            MUCH more than the editing on the 1880.

            As far as tracking, the VS-1880 is very reliable. And the mixing/mastering tools are good. I was originally moving indiviual files from the VS-1880, fixing them, then bringing back to the VS-1880 for mixing. But it is too hard so I bought a VERY fast dual core PC with 2GB of memory and fast disks. It still glitches but saves me from moving files. I used tracktion2 but am now using Audition 2.0 because I always used Audition for wave editing. The 2.0 version added ASIO for multiple in/out as well as better mixing support.


            I keep the VS-1880 for field work (live bands etc) because it has two mic-pre built in and it just works!

            Ken
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            • #7
              Originally posted by RedArchTop
              do those machines have a facility for importing tracks from earlier Rolands?
              Yes, a VS-2xxx can import VS-1880 songs and then convert them to .WAV. Stores in larger markets have done well renting VS-2480s for this purpose alone.

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              • #8
                Exactualy you can inport to a 2400 series unit, and as mentioned they can do more than 2 tracks at once, yet it is still slow. There is third party support for transfering the data to your computer. Check the VS forum, I am looking into linking mine up to the computer also to save time. Roland really screwed the pooch on the support for linking the unit to a computer. Imagine how cool it would be to use a 2480 that way.
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                • #9
                  I believe that all of the roland VS2*** can make use of the new pc card and r-bus output to a computer, darn I can't remember the name of the card, but it takes up a effects slot on the recorder then use to r-bus to go to the pc card you you plug into a card slot in your computer check the roland site for the name of the card. hope that helps. I just do it all on my vs2400 johnny
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                  • #10
                    I think it is a third party product, I don't believe that Rolland made it, which is surprising since many people have been asking for one. I was not aware that it would take an effect card space?
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                    • #11
                      i seem to remember there is a way to trick the machine and get 4 digital track outs from the vs 1880. do a search over at the vs planet. sounds slow and painful but if you have no other transfer options at least you have something to work with.
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                      • #12
                        Does the VS1880 have a RBUS? If so you could get a RPC-1 card and transfer 8 tracks at a time to your computer. I may get one soon since it would be much faster than converting the material to WAV on to a CD then transfering it. (I do additional work with the computer, I like the Roland for inital tracking).
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                        • #13
                          Only the VS-2480 and VS-2400 have R-BUS connectors. PreSonus is releasing a 16-channel R-BUS to firewire converter later this year; should eek a few more years of life out of those recorders.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The Audacity Works
                            Only the VS-2480 and VS-2400 have R-BUS connectors. PreSonus is releasing a 16-channel R-BUS to firewire converter later this year; should eek a few more years of life out of those recorders.


                            I tought that may be the case, I also heard about the 16 chanel PreSonus unit, that is why I havent went out and bought the Roland RPC-1 yet, I would rather have 16 at once (only having to use 1 card). As you said that would be a great benefit.

                            I would love to use the Roland that way rather than transfering via CD all of the time. Do you know anyone that uses the Roland unit with protools?
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                            • #15
                              Hey all, this is my first message on the forum. I have a vs-2400cd and I want too to transfer tracks to my computer without having burn them with the dead slow CD burner. As I have not very much money, I plan to keep my VS until I can afford a more friendly user/easy workable recording solution. So I'd be intersted in buying a RPC-1 card.

                              Does somebody know how much is cost???

                              Thanks

                              Vincent

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