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    Hi guys.



    I wanted to see if I could get some recommendations on doing some multi-track recordings from practice runs.



    I have a MixWiz 16 dx2 (line outs on all 16 channels). We use only 6 of these channels (2 vocals, 2 guitars, bass, and vDrums), so an 8 simultaneous in recorder would work.



    I intend to mix and process the recorded tracks on a computer, so the efx and mix capabilities of the interface are not that important. I also am planning on using the line outs from the mix wiz so the preamps don't need to be that spectacular either.



    I have a laptop computer that I could bring to practice if needed (Core i7 with USB2.0 ports ... no firewire).



    Things that are important to me:
    1. Easy to record all tracks simultaneously

    2. Easy to transfer the tracks quickly to a PC for processing (SD/USB/etc)

    3. Good recording quality on the line inputs

    4. Good feedback on clipping for any channel

    If I use the Laptop PC, then I likely wouldn't use it for recording any live shows, but it would be an easier setup if left in the instrument rack (I have space).



    My budget is <$500.00 (I know it isn't that much), and I wouldn't mind getting a used piece of equipment.



    I have looked at the ZOOM R16 which seems appealing, but I have no frame of reference to compare it to.



    As a 2nd usage, I may like to record our gigs and remix at home for live recordings. This is less important since I do have a pair of high quality condenser microphones (Church CA14's), and a Marantz PMD620 which does a good job of getting "live" recordings with crowd noise. If I had a better live recording setup, it might also be used to make live videos with (using the audio from a mixed recording along with a video).



    What do you guys think?
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  • #2
    I have the same board as you do (I love it). The zoom or Tascam will work for what you want, but you won't need a PC for anything if you get either of them. You can record your practices simple enough by using the direct out for each channel for the inputs for the recorder, but you will have to have your mix down on your board or have a sound guy riding the faders and then riding the faders on the recorder as well if you want separate channels or just simply record it all as two tracks by using the "A" and "B" outs. Then they will be what ever they are. I would set the everything to unity as far as the EQ. and let'er rip....lol!



    You can mix and process everything on your recorder, no need for a PC.
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    • #3
      I'm into the same thing-- here's what I do- I use a Korg d3200 recorder-(just a little fancier than the zoom -but the zoom will be fine )

      We are a 9 piece horn band so i needed more inputs.

      Anyway - I just record everything straight to the recorder at practice. I leave everything setup all the time and just burn a cd of the Raw tracks to take home and Mix.



      I transfer the tracks into my mac and use logic to mix. Using the computer to mix is sooooo much easier to do. you can do things like cut and paste between similar parts

      in the song- use mix automation and all the effects etc- it's the best of both worlds.

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      • #4
        My Studio/Rehursal room is all wired up perminantly for recording so

        I dont have the mobile issue and can record straight to the DAW with the push

        of a few buttons. Since I have all the amps and drums in the studio noone has

        to move anything around to rehurse and I can leave everything miced up.



        If I did have to do a mobile thing (which I have done for live gigs) One of those

        portable recorders or a digital recording mixer would be best.



        I once made myself a portable rack for recording live bands I placed my old

        studio DAW in a wheel mounted rack I could just roll into a gig. In the back I

        had all the mic cords rolled up on spools. I could just reel those out and mic

        up the amps and drums. I'd also have some boundry micsa to capture the band out front

        as well as the audiance and a couple of line in cable I could plug into the PA and

        take the signal off the vocal mics direct.



        I could set up and be ready to go in about 30 minuites. I had the option of

        plugging in a camcorder into the DAW and track the audio direct too.

        Later when I had the live recording fully mixed I could use Sonar Producer and swap the

        audio track out on the Video with the mastered audio and get some excelent audio

        for the video happening.



        All in all it worked out really well. I still get offers to do it every so often.

        I've kind of gotten away from it though. Its allot of work and if you dont get paid well,

        and if a band isnt very good it can be torture sitting through a 3~4 hour show.

        Then you have all the hours mixing and mastering involved. Its easire to just have them

        come to the studio and record where everything is set up and ready to go.

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        • #5
          / Very nice indeed. I set things up like you do. I played in a band that it took hours to set up the PA once. I said NEVER again. I can set up my PA in about 20-30 minutes and have it ready to sound check. I hate working hard, so I would rather work smart...lol!
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          • #6
            The R16 is very solid and well worth getting for the stability and ease of recording live tracks over using a computer setup. It's really too bad they don't make a machine that will do 16 or 24 inputs and record 16/24 tracks at once. I did try linking a borrowed R16 to mine for 16 inputs but different software versions and lack of time before show kept me from getting it all to work.

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            • #7
              So it sounds like the R16 is the best I can do for the money? It would be really nice just to pop out the CF card and put it into my card reader to transfer the tracks into my DAW.
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              • #8






                Quote Originally Posted by OneEng
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                So it sounds like the R16 is the best I can do for the money? It would be really nice just to pop out the CF card and put it into my card reader to transfer the tracks into my DAW.




                Digital mixer are an ideal item for a full band but they are still a bit pricy at this point.

                Behringer has one that will let you 16 channels in the $500 range I believe. Their mixers

                arent bad for all the options they have. You'd most likely save on all the additional cables

                and mics you'd need to buy using the R16 connected to an analog mixer. They also make

                mixers that plug into a laptop for recording through a USB connector.

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                • #9






                  Quote Originally Posted by WRGKMC
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                  Digital mixer are an ideal item for a full band but they are still a bit pricy at this point.

                  Behringer has one that will let you 16 channels in the $500 range I believe. Their mixers

                  arent bad for all the options they have. You'd most likely save on all the additional cables

                  and mics you'd need to buy using the R16 connected to an analog mixer. They also make

                  mixers that plug into a laptop for recording through a USB connector.




                  Yea, I was seriously considering moving to a SL 16.4.2 for the following reasons:
                  1. Lighter and more portable than my MixWiz with a rack full of stuff in it

                  2. Recording capability with an added laptop

                  3. Potential to use iPhone/iPod touch as wireless IEM's

                  4. Potential to mix remotely with an iPad

                  Sadly, I have the first of 3 kids heading to college next year If you look at the cost of everything I would need to have all the things I want, it isn't cheep to go this route.



                  Instead of this, I have decided to enhance my existing rig to include digital recording, and have a smaller lighter rack.



                  I could never give up my Allen & Heath MixWiz for a Behringer. A StudioLive equivalent is much more expensive.



                  The 8 channel snake is <$50.00
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                  • #10
                    My mix wiz will be with me until I die...lol! They are owned by the Harmon company that also makes soundcraft, dbx drive racks, crown amps and Jbl speakers. All great products to say the least. I have buddys that have or have had Behringer boards and they just don't compare. Behringer has gotten better with reliability, but they have huge problems with replacement parts.



                    When you want to let that miz wiz go, let me know what you want for it. btketner at charter dot net
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