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  • newbie needs advice on recording violin and acoustic guitar

    hi guys, an acoustic group is about to record in my studio, despite knowing im not a pro.

    they are a 3 piece group, violin, acoustic guitar and vocals. I have never recorded violin before and the last time I recorded acoustic guitar with AT2020, it was muddy, perhaps the positioning.

    so I need you guys' advice on which mics/placement to use for the violin and guitar, and if its possible to get a good recording with vocals as well all at the same time

    the condensers i have are two AKG Perception 170 , two AT2020

    dynamics : i5, om5, two SM57

    I'm thinking i5 would make a good vocal mic for recording in a loud/live setting, cause I really like the sweet sound. 

     

    any help greatly appreciated


  • zzzxtreme
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    Thanks for the tip! I will fix the highs & reverbs. Ya very pitchy

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  • vivian58
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    Is there a way to get MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 files into Final Cut Pro X without having to convert them? 

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  • zzzxtreme
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    vtec, u mean just 1 or 2 telefunken mics for whole orchestra?

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  • Rudolf von Hagenwil
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    btw, and only that I told you...

    in the good old days they recorded strings without microphone

     

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  • zzzxtreme
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    Rudolf sorry another question. My at2020 has "front/back" side. Do i point both mics the same direction?

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  • zzzxtreme
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    11ft i mean the height(no edit button in mobile site)

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  • zzzxtreme
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    Wow rudolf! Thanks! Never seen such setup . Its my own recording/rehearsal studio, i think about 11 ft or so? Really just a part time thing for passion. Not pro setting, although room has plenty panels. Yeah those are the mics i have.

    Mark thanks for the tip!!! Though wondering why 57/om5 instead of akg pencils for violin? Curious.

    Thanks again all. pretty excited.

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  • WRGKMC
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    Acoustic violin is a tough item to record and get good results. I did allot of experimentation trying to get good recording results and unless you have a really good mic and room acoustics, it can sound dreadful. My studio is a dead room with practically no reflection and I couldn't get good tone no matter what I tried. I eventually installed a piezo bridge and used a combination of the direct signal and a mic. The preamp needs to be tailored for the fiddle and the mic position needs to be the correct distance so you don't have phase cancellation. I used 18" with a reverse phased cable. With a regular cable you need to be 3' from the sound source to have proper phase between the direct sound and mic.

    Another option are these new electric fiddles. Even the cheap ones aren't bad. My buddy picked up one of those $100 eBay jobs and it blew my doors of for recording. I could get the thing loud enough with enough frequency range to mix with electric guitars and sound like a real fiddle In comparison to my acoustic which sounded squeaky and scratchey

    Those fishman mic systems are really good too. If I had an expensive fiddle, that's likely the route I'd take. They aren't cheap, but they work equally well live and recording. The key again is, the preamp/EQ is matched to the instruments frequency range. Then if you want some additional room "Air",  supplement the recording with another condenser.  The close mic will get the full warmth and body you really need recording a single fiddle. Otherwise you wind up having to EQ the crap out of a track using a single mic to get it to sound even partially decent.

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  • Rudolf von Hagenwil
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    violine:

    live, or studio?

    home studio?

    how high is the ceiling of the room?

     

    you record both, guitar and violine, at the same time?

    and you have the mentioned microphones available for that?

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  • VTEC_Dreams
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    Howdy! I use an AKG S1000 for the violin. I've been playing violin for a loooooooong time--have a degree in music, concentration: violin--and I record myself frequently to see how I'm sounding. 

    The best position is about 6 inches above the musicians. If there's too much treble, move the mics back a bit at a time until it gets *right*. 

    In the space I'm in, it works best to turn the mic up a bit more than I usually would. 

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  • The EAKLE
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    You might want to get more mics, depending on how you want to record.

    I use MXL 990 and 991 condensors for most of my acoustic stuff. Either works by itself, but ive been expiramenting with dynamic micing. I have the 991 pointed at the soundhole, probably 5 or 6 inches back and coming in at an angle. Then i have the 990 set up around a foot back, coming in from the opposite angle. 

    Not sure how to do a violin. The fist thing i'd try would be my 990 (or any large diaphragm condensor you can use) and set it somewhere close (but out of the way of the bow, obviously) to the side and point it at the F hole.

    Sorry i cant help a whole lot, i'm not very familiar with the mics your using. I've got pretty limited experience myself, but that's how i'd try to handle it with my gear. Hope it helps a bit. 

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