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  • How do you integrate new skills?

    I am curious about your thoughts about how and when to integrate your new skills into your guitar playing.


    1. How do you intregrate all the new things you are learning?

    2. When do you start to integrate all those new things into your guitar playing? Once you mastered the skills? Right from the start?


    It would be great to collect some ideas here on this VERY important topic!

    Last edited by Matthias Hornstein; 08-19-2017, 03:04 PM.

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    Just by way of growth, new skills are mostly a progression of what needs doing. For those just trying to assemble a skill set, you need an overview and plan. Simple is usually better.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by 1001gear View Post
      Just by way of growth, new skills are mostly a progression of what needs doing. For those just trying to assemble a skill set, you need an overview and plan. Simple is usually better.
      And how do you integrate those different techniques? Do you have a specific strategy?

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      • #4
        I've been dabbling in music since I was a toddler. I'm 60 now. Given I'm not some uber monstuh, stuff I learn on anything I play is pretty much the next step (or steps) in the progression especially with the playing skills I've acquired working with Transcribe. For instance I can literally read through Bach fugues and Beethoven sonatas if I'm familiar with the pieces. Doesn't mean I can perform them but I can take them at below 1/4 speed and absorb them. Along those lines there is literally no playable music too difficult to tackle. So there's that. But I'm not driven by a performance schedule and I long ago stopped caring about music as "my show" so like I said, stuff to learn is usually a requirement of the level I'm on; an already integral part.
        If a guitarist were to come to me and ask for help combining Smoke on The Water with Eruption, I would tell him not to do that.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by 1001gear View Post
          Just by way of growth, new skills are mostly a progression of what needs doing. For those just trying to assemble a skill set, you need an overview and plan. Simple is usually better.

          This is spot on. Guitar, and music in general is an enormous subject. It would be absurd to spend your time learning sweep picking if you're playing folk music. As 1001gear said, it's a matter of what skill or technique you need for whatever it is you're working on. If you're working on a piece that requires flatpicking, you'll find that once you've done it and got it down, it becomes familiar enough that you can easily incorporate it into something else you're writing or arranging. It's a matter of the skills that you require to make *your* music becoming second nature.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by MrHarryReems View Post


            This is spot on. Guitar, and music in general is an enormous subject. It would be absurd to spend your time learning sweep picking if you're playing folk music. As 1001gear said, it's a matter of what skill or technique you need for whatever it is you're working on. If you're working on a piece that requires flatpicking, you'll find that once you've done it and got it down, it becomes familiar enough that you can easily incorporate it into something else you're writing or arranging. It's a matter of the skills that you require to make *your* music becoming second nature.
            That makes absolutely sense to just learn whatever it is you need for your style of guitar playing

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            • #7
              There are no new skills that suddenly appear out of the ether. They are a natural but subliminal progression that becomes our learning curves. That's if you're building your own original sound with painstaking care not to appropriate from other artist's material. If you're referring to riffs appropriated from other artists and re-rendering them in some fashion to forge a new sound from, I wish you the creativity and good sense for success.

              How you incorporate new skills (sounds) in the physical implementation sense of it is entirely dependent upon you and your aural and playing skills. Can you hear something on a public PA system, keep it in your head, find the chord progression there and then go home and play it within a few minutes? Does that sound like an impossibility at this juncture, if ever? I can do that. If I can, anyone can. But, that's an aural skill set I developed in coordination with developing my hands. That's just playing the original as I heard it. If there's something to be salvaged from it in the sense of technique, dynamics, melody, meter or perhaps simply mood, I can adapt it. That's from years of exposure to the fretboard and learning the notes (scales) by ear, the chord structures and their constituent notes and becoming quite adept at recognizing progressions by listening.

              To answer your question succinctly is impossible. All I can give you is the usual response and that's to develop your ear and hand training to the extent that, in time, you will answer it yourself.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Matthias Hornstein View Post

                That makes absolutely sense to just learn whatever it is you need for your style of guitar playing
                Perhaps. Nothing wrong with broadening your horizons though. I'd say work on whatever it is you'd like to be able to do. When you can do it in your sleep, while the dog is barking and someone's car alarm is going, incorporating whatever it is will be at hand.

                Maybe not at all relevant to you, but for perspective- in the 'classical' world we have to be able to do whatever the music in front of us requires. This style or that style. Bach has to be a certain way, and it's not really the way Brahms should be played. Then there's Gershwin, etc. The San Francisco Symphony has Metallica covered...lol. You wanna really be able to rip? Learn some Paganini Caprices. When you can play them in your sleep, while the dog...

                (I suspect sometimes that Eddie, Steve, Yngwie, Joe, have all perused some violin etudes, concertos. There's a short but dead ringer from a Kreutzer violin etude in Eruption, anyway.)

                Unless you have some pressing need- don't be limited to shred, or twang. Do whatever you want to be able to do and do it well.
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                • #9
                  When it's something brand new, I usually spend a few minutes working on it very slowly during my warmup, just to make sure I'm getting the proper muscle memory. My favorite way to incorporate new techniques is to just write a new song with the new technique in it. I also like to just look a few chords and solo over them with emphasis on the new technique.

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