Members Salieri Stefan Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 Hello guys, i want to buy this guitar, but first, i have questions: Sounds good ? Anybody have recordings or videos ? As I heard, this guitars have problems with neck and bridge, it's real ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 A student of mine has a Dell'Arte. He didn't mention any problems, but that doesn't mean that there couldn't be any. Welcome aboard! Do you already play gypsy jazz or have a selmac git? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Salieri Stefan Posted November 26, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 I have an Ibanez Classic Guitar...i finished the Michael Horrowitz Gypsy Jazz Picking and i don't have problems...now, i want a gypsy jazz guitar... Thanks for reply... So...sounds good ? It have "gypsy" sound ? Sorry for this questions...but i don't know much informations...and i learned this style about 3-4 months...i have 14 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted November 26, 2008 Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 Yeah, it sounds pretty good. Have you considered the Gitane or Cigano line? I have the Gitane D500 and love it, and I've read very strong reviews of Cigano. Don't apologise for asking questions. Bring 'em on!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Salieri Stefan Posted November 26, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 26, 2008 Hmm...you have videos or recordings with Gitane or Cigano please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members simplygoodmusic Posted November 27, 2008 Members Share Posted November 27, 2008 Regarding the Pigalle. The general online consensus (which has been known to be bull before), is that they are slightly overbuilt, sacrificing some of that gypsy tone and volume. While the Gitane and Cigano still aren't as loud as most higher end gits, the Pigalles are much less so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members simplygoodmusic Posted November 27, 2008 Members Share Posted November 27, 2008 Cigano:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wXhynVqy9_I A Gitanehttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wrUQhjRRtGc&feature=related Though you aren't gonna get much of a good idea through youtube videos. Especially from two different sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pascal Posted November 27, 2008 Members Share Posted November 27, 2008 I keep hearing really good things about the Gitane DG270 Andy McKenzie model. Its finish is a bit unusual, but it's supposed to be cheaper and better than their other signature models. I also own a Cigano. It definitely has that barking djangobox voice (which can't be said of all cheap selmac copies), and is really loud. Don't expect it to sound anything as refined and complex as a high-end guitar, of course, but for a first guitar or a backup, it is really great. And cheap to boot. Fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pascal Posted November 27, 2008 Members Share Posted November 27, 2008 While the Gitane and Cigano still aren't as loud as most higher end gits, the Pigalles are much less so. I actually suspect my Cigano to be louder than my Levoi... ... but its tone is much more monodimensional. It sounds loud rather than great. A great casserole! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted November 27, 2008 Members Share Posted November 27, 2008 A great casserole! Oh, yeah! I had to search that one out again! That word needs to be a part of the HCAG lexicon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Salieri Stefan Posted November 27, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 27, 2008 Thanks for reply guys ! If you have more information, please post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members simplygoodmusic Posted November 27, 2008 Members Share Posted November 27, 2008 I actually suspect my Cigano to be louder than my Levoi... ... but its tone is much more monodimensional. It sounds loud rather than great. A great casserole! Cool! I've heard louder than the gitane, but all in all its awesome. I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pascal Posted November 27, 2008 Members Share Posted November 27, 2008 Cool!I've heard louder than the gitane, but all in all its awesome.I stand corrected. Well, at least it sounds louder from my perspective as a player in my living room. I'm not sure yet how they compare from a listener's perspective (facing the soundhole) in a band/jam context, ie how well they project and cut through. I suspect the voice of the Levoi would make it very good at this game, but I haven't had the opportunity to jam with it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Salieri Stefan Posted November 28, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Stackabones, i don't want D-500 because it have 12frets to body... Anybody have a recording or a video with cigano or a gitane 255 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pascal Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Robin Nolan plays a Cigano on 2 tracks on his myspace page: Black and Blue and Everything Happens to Me. I suppose it's the petite bouche 14 fret model (can't remember ever seeing Robin with a grande bouche) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Salieri Stefan Posted November 28, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 OH my God ! It sounds very good !!! And, anybody have a recording or a video with Dell'Arte Pigalle ? Thanks Pascal ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pascal Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 OH my God ! It sounds very good !!! Well, it's Robin Nolan! Believe me, it wouldn't sound half as good in my hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pascal Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 BTW, you might want to browse the "Guitars, strings, picks, etc..." and "recording" sections of the Djangobooks forums. You could find what you are after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Salieri Stefan Posted November 28, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Oh...Pascal, what guitar you recommend to me through 700$ ? Dell Arte Pigalle is good ? You know other guitar ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pascal Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Oh...Pascal, what guitar you recommend to me through 700$ ? Dell Arte Pigalle is good ? You know other guitar ? In all honesty, I haven't played many guitars in this price range. Many people like their standard Gitanes, but I have never really been convinced by the ones I've played (tastes...). Their newer models (DG-270 or newer signature models -Wrembel, for example-) seem to be truer to the original Selmers (the tops are more arched, the bridge is higher, neck angle is greater), which is supposed to give them a more typical tone. I'd try to compare a Cigano (who also has these characteristics) and a DG-270 to see if the DG-270 is worth the extra $. I've never seen a Dell'Arte (Pigalle or other) in person, and don't think the new Music Link versions are available in Europe yet (their release keeps being postponed), so I can't comment. I don't know if you can find them where you are and what they go for, but the "high end" Patenotte guitars are also supposed to sound great for a very reasonable price. But they have chunky necks, and might be slightly over your budget. Unless you can find a second-hand one, maybe... I would not recommend the cheap Patenottes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Salieri Stefan Posted November 28, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Oh...but the design is horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pascal Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Oh...but the design is horrible If you're going to be cheap, you can't be picky! I'll take tone and playability over looks anyday. And I usually can't see much of the guitar when I play it anyway, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members simplygoodmusic Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Don't all Patenottes have short scale necks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pascal Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Don't all Patenottes have short scale necks? Not that I know of... unless Claude makes short scale 14 fret oval hole guitars. See the 258 model, for example. Edit: it looks like you are right: http://www.djangobooks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9679&sid=ba795faf0b5c8defdd2344b98df20a10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members simplygoodmusic Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 I'm going on a vague memory, but I remember someone was looking for a 14 fret short scale on djangobooks, and several people directed him to Patenotte... And they look awesome, if you ask me. Edit: You added your edit while I was writing, sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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