Members Cheezeweggie Posted February 21, 2009 Members Share Posted February 21, 2009 I've read that the reason speaker manufacturers use high density chipboard is because it provides the best acoustic qualities for the money. Keeping that in mind, I tried a X series Martin at my local GC and it sounded like I was playing in a bathtub. Do all HPL guitars sound hollow, or was this just a bad one? (Note to purists - Yes, I'm aware that solid woods are better). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Opa John Posted February 21, 2009 Members Share Posted February 21, 2009 I've read that the reason speaker manufacturers use high density chipboard is because it provides the best acoustic qualities for the money. Keeping that in mind, I tried a X series Martin at my local GC and it sounded like I was playing in a bathtub. Do all HPL guitars sound hollow, or was this just a bad one? (Note to purists - Yes, I'm aware that solid woods are better). No, you didn't just get a bad one. You just got ahold of one made out of a cheaper grade of sawdust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigald18 Posted February 21, 2009 Members Share Posted February 21, 2009 Most speaker manufacturers make their speakers from medium density fiberboard. That is because it absorbs sound rather than reflects it. It is a mostly non-vibrating material. HPL is a totally different animal. The sound quality of the HPL will be determined by the type of wood the laminate is made from and VERY IMPORTANTLY the quality of the glue used. The laminate is supposed to vibrate and REFLECT sound. BigAl ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Palmer Posted February 21, 2009 Members Share Posted February 21, 2009 A little helpful information regarding HPL, how it's produced and it's constituant materials. http://www.formica.co.uk/publish/site/eu/uk/en/home/Company/product_design_and_development/the_manufacturing_process.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Guitar_stringer Posted February 21, 2009 Members Share Posted February 21, 2009 I have formica on two of my benches! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kimona Posted February 21, 2009 Members Share Posted February 21, 2009 Those HPL Martin guitars appear to be made from the same formica material as cheap kitchen countertops... and that's just a bunch of chemicals, some of which are toxic. Is that what we want to be strumming? If they didn't have the Martin name on the headstock, most of us would be calling them exactly what they are... absolute bloody crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Palmer Posted February 21, 2009 Members Share Posted February 21, 2009 I have formica on two of my benches! lol A soundhole, strings, etc and you have a bench guitar! whey hey lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Guitar_stringer Posted February 21, 2009 Members Share Posted February 21, 2009 A soundhole, strings, etc and you have a bench guitar! whey hey lol No, it'll need to be a solid body guitar. I've got some spare pups laying around. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brokepick Posted February 21, 2009 Members Share Posted February 21, 2009 Formica has been on kitchen countertops close to our food for a lot of years. It hasn't poisoned anybody yet. I doubt having some in a guitar is gonna be any worse. I gotta play one of those and see what all the hoopla is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Guitarplay Posted February 21, 2009 Members Share Posted February 21, 2009 Those HPL Martin guitars appear to be made from the same formica material as cheap kitchen countertops... and that's just a bunch of chemicals, some of which are toxic. Is that what we want to be strumming? If they didn't have the Martin name on the headstock, most of us would be calling them exactly what they are... absolute bloody crap! aren't the hpl's about $500 bucks, though? do you think they sound any worse than other acoustics in that price range? My first acoustic was a takamine eg523sc and my brothers was a Martin HPL, two guitars price about the same. I actually liked the playability and sound of his over mine. I question how many people actually play them before bashing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Florida_Gator Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 I played one at Best Buy. It sounded OK. It was $500, and it sounded OK. Of course, it looked like crap. Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Palmer Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 No, it'll need to be a solid body guitar. I've got some spare pups laying around. lol What size bench? I may have a spare case kicking around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Guitar_stringer Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 What size bench? I may have a spare case kicking around. 36" X 72" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kimona Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 Yeah, I played one and it actually sounded okay. My point is... why would anyone pay $500+ for a formica guitar that sounds okay? Paint one black, put First Act on the headstock, and price it at just $149. I doubt many here would give it much attention... except to bash it for being formica, despite it sounding okay... and I doubt anyone would buy it. We'd all be thinking why would I spend $149 on a formica First Act when I can get a laminate Yamaha F325 for the same price. Apparently, the Martin name can make people do foolish things, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Melodeous Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 Just for the record here, HPL contains no wood whatsoever. It is a blended polymer (plastic) with differing qualities from one type to the next that increases formability and/or fire resistance - Gary's link, top of the page. It is called a laminate because it is typically laminated to a base material and that is usually a particle board (chipboard) material. It typically comes in thicknesses around 3/32" to 1/8" and is shipped rolled up from the source. I refurbished my kitchen with the stuff and had to special order 14' lengths so I didn't have to seam it. It's bonded with contact cement. As used in Martin's "HPL" models it is simply set up in a mold and constructed in an identical manner as solid wood guitars. They don't sound great or like crap but that isn't the point. The point is actually using the stuff in the first place and then setting a price that competes with solid wood guitars with better sound. It's nothing more than brand deception and dollar-for-dollar a person can do better with another brand using solid woods. I play an HPL dread about every other day and there's nothing remarkable about the guitar except in a negative sense. Plus, the neck on that thing is made from something distractingly textured. I can't figure out why people would buy one in favor of a better solid wood guitar other than being duped into thinking all Martins are fine musical instruments. Normally I'd agree until they introduced the HPL series. My idea of quality does not include using Formica material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kwakatak Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 Yeah, the name on the headstock adds several hundred $$$ IMO. The same can be said of Taylors. BTW, the necks on them are similarly fugly. They look to be several layers on low-grade laminated wood pressed together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guildfire Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 I don't like HPL either or the fact that Martin is using their name to sell people on these. However I did play the DX12string and it sounded pretty damn good at a reasonable price. It's an ugly sucker though with that material on the neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Palmer Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 36" X 72" That's such a shame. The case I had in mind is only 34" x 70", but has allowance for a tool well and built-in trolley/cart. Back to the drawing board. -------- IMHO what's found lacking in HPL guitar back & side sets tends to reinforce the influence specific carcass timbers/materials have upon tonal output/ an instruments voicing. Whilst still marketable to serve a specific purpose in instrument manufacture, I think future developments in HPL - as well as other alternative materials - has a great deal of potential and much to offer, but not quite yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fuzzboy Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 I just bought the DXJ and in my opinion it just sounded and played better than all the other guitars I have played under $500.Including a taylor 110 and numerous Yamis. It was just under $400. I just got it though so we'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Guitar_stringer Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 That's such a shame. The case I had in mind is only 34" x 70", but has allowance for a tool well and built-in trolley/cart. Back to the drawing board. -------- IMHO what's found lacking in HPL guitar back & side sets tends to reinforce the influence specific carcass timbers/materials have upon tonal output/ an instruments voicing. Whilst still marketable to serve a specific purpose in instrument manufacture, I think future developments in HPL - as well as other alternative materials - has a great deal of potential and much to offer, but not quite yet. lol Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boxorox Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 I've been underwhelmed by Martin's HPL guitar. Do they make 'em with solid tops? That might be a whole 'nother animal. Still, it would be nice to have a guitar to take out on the boat that you could also clean fish on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brokepick Posted February 22, 2009 Members Share Posted February 22, 2009 One thing that likely could be said in favor of the X series Martins is that this HPL and the material they make the necks out of, is likely moisture and humidity resistant. Could indeed be a great candidate to take out on the boat, or camping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheezeweggie Posted February 23, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 23, 2009 One thing that likely could be said in favor of the X series Martins is that this HPL and the material they make the necks out of, is likely moisture and humidity resistant. Could indeed be a great candidate to take out on the boat, or camping. $500 is a lot to pay for a camping guitar. I guess it depends on what you call camping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guildfire Posted February 23, 2009 Members Share Posted February 23, 2009 One thing that likely could be said in favor of the X series Martins is that this HPL and the material they make the necks out of, is likely moisture and humidity resistant. Could indeed be a great candidate to take out on the boat, or camping. Yeah, guess you could always use it for a spare oar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Palmer Posted February 23, 2009 Members Share Posted February 23, 2009 $500 is a lot to pay for a camping guitar. I guess it depends on what you call camping. Hotel based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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