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    I just restrung my Crafter T035 ( same gauge, same strings ) and have a godawful buzz from the low E ( and only the low E ). It's there played hard-ish open and to a lesser degree fretted, and I'm convinced its coming from the bridge region. My trusty dental mirror went in and the ball is tight against the pin so I don't think I have a problem there. Action is untouched but I went through it all again anyway and its fine. I've replaced the string itself 3 times thinking I had bad ones but they're all the same. Nut slot depth is a touch low but I never had a problem before.
    So - I'm out of ideas and utterly hacked off lol - any help would be great thanks :thu:
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  • #2
    Strange. Could be a problem with the saddle - did you disturb it when you changed strings? If not I would try slacking off the truss rod a 1/4 turn to see if it clears it. My Crafter reacts to even a 1 gauge difference in strings - try it.
    Howard

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    • #3
      Strange. Could be a problem with the saddle - did you disturb it when you changed strings? If not I would try slacking off the truss rod a 1/4 turn to see if it clears it. My Crafter reacts to even a 1 gauge difference in strings - try it.


      aye - I had a look at the saddle and noticed it's shimmed. I have a spare TUSQ one here so might give that a shot. I did the truss rod with no result. I just slipped a bit of shim in the nut slot for the low E to raise the height a touch but no difference. I'm dumfounded
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      • #4
        aye - I had a look at the saddle and noticed it's shimmed. I have a spare TUSQ one here so might give that a shot. I did the truss rod with no result. I just slipped a bit of shim in the nut slot for the low E to raise the height a touch but no difference. I'm dumfounded


        Hmmmm......Is the saddle fully or partially shimmed? A partial shim might have slipped. I would definitely change out the saddle, but perhaps that's just me, because I personally don't care for saddle shims.

        Also, get out your ruler or straightedge and check the frets. Perhaps one has worked loose and raised just a wee bit? If the straightedge rocks, you'll know you've got a high fret there somewhere.

        Best of luck

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        • #5
          FWIW, may apply, may not. The saddle fell out of a guitar while I was restringing it. I inadvertently put it back in the bridge backwards. Got the same result you speak of. Turned the saddle around, and the buzz was still there, only less. Turns out, there was a shim under the saddle that also fell out with the bridge. :idk:

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          • #6
            FWIW, may apply, may not. The saddle fell out of a guitar while I was restringing it. I inadvertently put it back in the bridge backwards. Got the same result you speak of. Turned the saddle around, and the buzz was still there, only less. Turns out, there was a shim under the saddle that also fell out with the bridge. :idk:


            I've done this before myself lol ... but not this time ( if only it were that simple )
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            • #7
              Thanks Sami ... the frets are all fine and I changed the saddle with no result - damn :facepalm:



              I've done this before myself lol ... but not this time ( if only it were that simple )


              Damn....That's really weird!

              I guess a visit to a competent tech is now in order. Hope you get it resolved soon!

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              • #8
                It sounds as though your saddle shim slipped during the string change, but I'd re-set neck relief before taking things further. Whereabouts is the buzz? If everything was fine beforehand and the problem is isolated to the low E and possibly A string I'd definitely suspect the saddle is lower than it was prior to your string swap and the only solution is a re-saddle.

                I'd utilise the TUSQ blank, make the new saddle as tall as you can comfortably manage and bring her down suit to your preferred action. :thu:
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                • #9
                  Thanks Sami ... the frets are all fine and I changed the saddle with no result - damn :facepalm:



                  I've done this before myself lol ... but not this time ( if only it were that simple )


                  Just noticed your post after I'd submitted my last reply.

                  Have the strings been binding during tuning?

                  How many strings and frets does she buzz on and whereabouts on the neck?

                  Have you checked your tuner bushings? One may need tightening.
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                  • #10
                    Just to go out on a limb you might check if one of your frets or inner body supports is loose. Sounds like you covered most of the bases though, good luck!


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                    • #11
                      Just noticed your post after I'd submitted my last reply.

                      Have the strings been binding during tuning?

                      How many strings and frets does she buzz on and whereabouts on the neck?

                      Have you checked your tuner bushings? One may need tightening.


                      Thanks Gary ... what do you mean "binding" ? .... the buzz is mainly when its played open ( played hard thumbpicked - strangely not much flatpicked or strummed ) and to me seems to be from the bridge region. I've had my hand inside putting pressure on everything I can find to localise it with no luck. Its a real "waspy" buzz too and I'm close to doing a "Pete Townsend" in frustration lol ... actually even I wont be that stupid with my favourite guitar :lol:
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                      • #12
                        the binding he's speaking of may be in the nut slots-

                        is the guitar coming to tune correctly?

                        i have heard of using a bit of pencil lead to ease the friction in the slots-

                        best of luck... maybe stepping away from it for a but will give you a fresh take on it... ?
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                        • #13
                          I'd have another look at that nut. You say that it buzzes mainly when the string is played open. Is it possible that the slight buzz you hear when a note is fretted was there all along and that it just seems more prominent because you've become overly "buzz sensitive"? Trust me, it happens to the best of us. Intense focus on "problems" tends to result in finding more problems than are actually there. It happens to me all the time. Keep in mind that with the right attack you can make almost any note buzz.

                          The wound strings act like files on the nut slots and the low E is the coarsest "file" of all. Nut buzzes usually occur right after a re-stringing. Fret the low E at the second fret and measure your tolerances at the first fret. Anything below .008 could be suspect.

                          Buzzes always sound like they're coming from the bridge because that's where the energy of the strings is transfered to the sound box. A buzz from a loose tuner sounds like it's coming from the bridge because that's where all sounds are amplified. And yeah, what the hell, check all screws and bushings to make sure everything is snug.

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                          • #14
                            yeah - it tunes fine. Bjorn - its definitely not me - this is a mean buzz lol. I don't have much clearance at all at the first fret when I fret the second ( had done that already, and slipped a tiny bit of shim in the nut slot to raise the string a bit but it didnt help ) ... maybe the low E has deepened itself a touch in the slot. I have no clue how to find a tech in France to replace the nut though, its not something I've ever tried :facepalm:
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                            • #15
                              You'll quite often find buzzing stems from either end of the string's working length, or - in other words - the nut or saddle. Strings binding in slots, buzzing on first frets, buzzing against the rear of the saddle crown, string ends rattling, tuner bushings and nuts buzzing, etc..

                              Just one more question. Did you remove all of the strings at once or one at a time? The "all at once" method is fine, but you'll often find a neck can relax slightly whilst unstrung and - partnered with a low action and shallow neck relief - buzzing can be a bit of an overnight hassle, but quite often resolves itself as the neck reacts to being re-strung and string tension countering the action of the truss rod.

                              Reading you're not having problems with picking or fingerstyle, but encountering buzzing when using a thumb pick tends to indicate a need for raising your action and/or improving neck relief. It could simply be a combination of your guitar's reaction to a re-string, slightly too little neck relief to compensate for heavier string attack and low action. One simple check is to measure relief and action on another instrument that doesn't suffer from buzzing and potentially replicate it's settings on your Crafter.

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                              If it were to boil down to the need for a nut replacement, the exercise isn't as complex or expensive as it may seem, but I'd see if we can resolve the problem before considering that route.

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