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AER Compact 60 vs Schertler Unico vs Fishman Loudbox 100

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  • AER Compact 60 vs Schertler Unico vs Fishman Loudbox 100

    I'm going to dump my Marshall AS50D for something lighter and hopefully better sounding. The majority of my gigs are solo (usually with a nylon-string) and often with vocal. Settings are restaurants, cafes, private parties--in general, small rooms.

    My goal is to get my entire rig (guitar, amp, mic stand, gear bag) into the trunk of my Infiniti I30. One trip from trunk to gig kinda thing.

    The AER is the lightest and smallest (19 lbs, 13 x 10 x 9 inches), but it is pricey. Schertler has more inputs than the AER and has more wattage. Fishbox is the cheapest and it looks similar to the AER. AER & Schertler are about $1K, and the Fishman is $600.

    What say you?

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    I played through a AER when I bought my Martin. I was greatly impressed with it. Never played through a Schertler though. The Fishman looks heavy (Played through it but never picked it up) plus how much wattage do you need. Those fishman look like the put out a ton of sound but if you are playing a place big enough to need that it will usually have a PA.

    All that said I didn't have the money to buy any of the above and just purchased a small Crate for Jammin and am very happy with it.

    My point? I don't know.. Good luck with your search.
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    • #3
      I've never used the Schertler, but I've owned two AER's, two Ultrasounds, and two Cali Blondes. They all have thier strong points, but I felt like the Fishman Loudbox Performer was kind of a greatest hits. It was the only one I was able to use the K&K Mini with and not need an outboard eq.

      The AER is also a great little amp- loved walking around downtown after a gig with a guitar over one shoulder and my amp over the other enjoying an expresso as I hunt for my car. But I had a hard time getting a great tone from the Compact 60 with the K&K or mic, but it was pretty steller with a Rare Earth though.
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      • #4
        Never played the Loudbox, but I've played both the Schertler and the AER ( I own an AER ). The AER is great in the fact that it is extremely portable, built tough and sounds great. All in all it's a great amp.

        The Unico ( IMO ) is slightly superior. It has more low end presence and a fuller reverb.

        You can't go wrong between the two, but if you're gonna drop that kinda coin you might as well go for the Schertler.

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        • #5
          I have both the CA Blonde and last year purchased the Fishmna Loud Box Performer.

          I the Fishman is pretty sweet, and lighter than the CA Blonde.

          LR Baggs now makes and acoustic amp, it should be pretty sweet for the $$$, it's not cheap
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          • #6
            I've tried all three brands, but have not owed (or used regularly) any of them.

            There are two Schertlers, the David and the Unico. The nod goes to the Unico (not surprising) between those two. If you go for one of these, research the pickup you plan on using and the input impedance of the Schertler amp, as that may be an issue with certain pickups.

            Of the AERs, I've played the Alpha, Compact 2, Domino and Acousticube III. All very nice, and (again, not surprising) these get better as you go up the AER foodchain. Features are a bit limited on the less expensive models. Very nice sound.

            As to the Fishmans, I've chekced out the original Loudbox, the Loudbox Performer and the big 600 watt Loudbox. These are very nice amps with a very good feature set.

            Of the three brands, sonically I liked the Unico alot, as well as the AER Domino. The Acousticube III was certainly the best of these amps, but that's expected given its $2,500 price tag. But all of these amps are just different flavors of excellence. The Fishman is in the same general ballpark as the others.

            Featurewise, the Fishman amps I liked the most. The Unico's feature set is excellent too.

            I tried these amps with solo fingerstyle (no vocals) in mind, using SBT/internal mic sources.

            Good luck on your search. You may also want to check into a decent small PA or one or two powered speakers. A lot can be said for going that route instead of an acoustic amp.

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            • #7
              Thanks to all for the responses so far. Very helpful!!!

              I hadn't considered the type of pickup to be used with the amp--a very important consideration. Most of the time, I'll use a piezo--most of my guitars are equipped with them. I'd love to go all mic, but I'm playing some pretty noisy situations and worried about ambient noise. Plus, micing the guitar adds to the set up--one more mic, stand w/boom, and cord to deal with.

              I've thought about the small PA route ... but I think I might be happier with the small amp--mainly for portability reasons and ease of set up and the ability to play in really tight corners. I plan on getting some powered PA speakers in the future. When that happens, I'll use the small amp as a monitor.

              Anybody else?

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              • #8
                having owned all the aforementioned amps, I did come full circle back to using powered PA speakers this year.

                I have to RCF
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                  I have to RCF

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                    Thanks to all for the responses so far. Very helpful!!!

                    I hadn't considered the type of pickup to be used with the amp--a very important consideration. Most of the time, I'll use a piezo--most of my guitars are equipped with them. I'd love to go all mic, but I'm playing some pretty noisy situations and worried about ambient noise. Plus, micing the guitar adds to the set up--one more mic, stand w/boom, and cord to deal with.

                    I've thought about the small PA route ... but I think I might be happier with the small amp--mainly for portability reasons and ease of set up and the ability to play in really tight corners. I plan on getting some powered PA speakers in the future. When that happens, I'll use the small amp as a monitor.

                    Anybody else?


                    By "piezo" I assume you mean a UST (under the saddle) pickup. Given your budget, and your UST pickups, I would suggest getting the Loudbox Performer and a D-TAR Mama Bear. To many folks, those USTs need something more than a good amp, if you want them to sound something like an acoustic guitar unplugged. The Mama Bear fixes that pretty well. You might also consider upgrading the UST in one or two gutiars to the more recent film based USTs (D-TAR Wavelength, w/o its preamp, or the PUTW I/O). That assumes your USTs are of some vintage.

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                    • #11
                      By "piezo" I assume you mean a UST (under the saddle) pickup. Given your budget, and your UST pickups, I would suggest getting the Loudbox Performer and a D-TAR Mama Bear. To many folks, those USTs need something more than a good amp, if you want them to sound something like an acoustic guitar unplugged. The Mama Bear fixes that pretty well. You might also consider upgrading the UST in one or two gutiars to the more recent film based USTs (D-TAR Wavelength, w/o its preamp, or the PUTW I/O). That assumes your USTs are of some vintage.


                      Yep. UST! Alvarez AC60SC. Not very fond of the sound. The D-TAR Mama Bear keeps popping up on my radar. That, and the LR Baggs Para DI.

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                      • #12
                        Is this it, the RCF ART 310-A? Only one input? Is that right?

                        21.14"H x 13.27"W x 12.4"D! Wow. That seems pretty small. Smaller than the JBL Eon15....


                        http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ART310A/
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                        • #13
                          I'm going to dump my Marshall AS50D for something lighter and hopefully better sounding. The majority of my gigs are solo (usually with a nylon-string) and often with vocal. Settings are restaurants, cafes, private parties--in general, small rooms.

                          My goal is to get my entire rig (guitar, amp, mic stand, gear bag) into the trunk of my Infiniti I30. One trip from trunk to gig kinda thing.

                          The AER is the lightest and smallest (19 lbs, 13 x 10 x 9 inches), but it is pricey. Schertler has more inputs than the AER and has more wattage. Fishbox is the cheapest and it looks similar to the AER. AER & Schertler are about $1K, and the Fishman is $600.

                          What say you?


                          I saw this advertised in this months Guitar World Acoustic Magazine. AAD -CUBE AG-100 acoustic amp. You may want to check it out.

                          http://www.aadsound.com/AG100.htm


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                          • #14
                            I saw this advertised in this months Guitar World Acoustic Magazine. AAD -CUBE AG-100 acoustic amp. You may want to check it out.

                            http://www.aadsound.com/AG100.htm


                            That's small! Micro amp!!! Read a good review here. From what I gather, they are not too easy to find. Found one at Sound Island.

                            Micro amps. Intriguing idea. I read one user review at HC of the Cub. Anyone around here have any experience with it?

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                            • #15
                              Check out the new Mackie SRM-150. 150 watts, multiple inputs, phantom power and mic stand mountable. Seems like an all in one mini PA solution for small gigs, or use as a stage monitor for larger gigs. I'm intrigued...

                              http://www.mackie.com/products/srm150/

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