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  • Epiphone FT-160 12 string with bolt-on neck - need advice

    This guitar is for sale but unfortunately the seller is about 250 miles away so I cannot try it out in person.



    I emailed the seller about the action and he says it's "half an inch at the 12th fret"
    He seems to think this is good...

    Anyhow I can probably get this for about $200 shipped but I want to know more about the bolt on neck. I have read that these can be removed and shimmed to give the correct neck angle. Has anyone here had experience with doing this? Should I bother to give it a shot? What do you luthier fella's think?
    Guitars = Chick Magnet
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  • #2
    Run, don't walk, from that one. I've seen Seagull 12's around that price point on Craigslist.
    Guitars? Too damn many, but not enough!

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    • #3
      They're bad news! They had problems with the neck block coming loose from the body that make them almost unrepairable.

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      • #4
        The only necks that I know of that can be removed and shimmed are Taylors "NT" necks (only later models). A traditional bolt on is still a set neck - the fretboard extension is probably glued on, two bolts instead of glue hold the neck into the body. To change the angle you remove it and floss the cheeks of the heel - you just don't have to futz around with the dovetail to hold it tight. Not a do it yourself project, but not quite as hard as a dovetail.

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        • #5
          These are bolt on necks like an Electric, Telecaster, etc. Actually 4 woods screws through a plate on the back of the guitar and into the neck.

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          • #6
            Thanks for the input guys! Seems like I shouldn't bother with this one. The seller did say that the "neck block was fine" but still I don't want to take the chance on something I cannot see for myself. Ultimately I am looking to buy a "beater" of somekind. I was thinking maybe a vintage 12 string would be nice but judging from the responses so far this looks like a bad deal.
            Guitars = Chick Magnet
            Guitar Hero = Guy Magnet
            You do the math.


            HCAG Civil Posters Society, Charter Member #002.
            Simple music is the hardest music to play and blues is simple music. - Albert Collins

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            • #7
              This may sound like a "cock & bull" story, but I swear it's the truth. Back in 1968, while in the Army in Germany, I bought a Framus "Texan" 12-string. Solid spruce top with rosewood sides and back. The b&s were probably laminated....not sure. I paid exactly $92 for it at the Robinson Barracks Army PX in Stuttgart, Germany.The Framus guitars had bolt on necks. Four long bolts through a chrome plated steel plate, up through an internal neck block and into recessed nuts built into the neck. Kinda like the way Fender electrics are built.

              When it was about 8 years old (1976) that neck block cracked and needed to be replaced. I found a music store on the east side of town that actually replaced that cracked neck block and put that guitar back into brand new condition. They did a beautiful job and charged me a whopping $25!! Now, this was back in 1976.....but still.......an amazing deal I thought! Ain't gonna get something like that done these days for anything even resembling that kind of deal. I've often wondered if they actually replaced that cracked neck block (they said they did) or if they just removed it, glued it back togther, and reinstalled it. Still.......I feel I got a fantastic repair job done for cheap.

              I kept that guitar for about 6 more years, never had another problem with it, and sold it for more than I paid for it to a friend of mine. Don't know if he still has it or not. Haven't seen him in years. For all I know, it could've exploded and blown his pecker off years ago.

              Wasn't trying to hijack your thread, OGP. It's just that whenever someone mentions 12-strings and neck problems, I think about that old Framus I had and how cheaply I got it fixed back then.

              Those were the days, my friend...we thought they'd never end............
              Three Dreads......2 Martins and 1 YamahaA fiddle, a mando, a uke, eight harmonicas, a Zoom H2, a Panasonic recorder, coupla penny whistles, an Italian made Titano accordion, three handguns, at least a dozen chess sets, more power tools than Bob Vila, and one old Westclox "Big Ben" wind-up alarm clock that still works! Oh, BTW, I forgot to mention my ocarina and maracas.

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              • #8
                These are bolt on necks like an Electric, Telecaster, etc. Actually 4 woods screws through a plate on the back of the guitar and into the neck.


                Indeed there are. My old Eko Ranger uses that method - very easy to shim and adjust (although I've never had to do it in all its 30 year life).
                Howard

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                • #9
                  I will never buy a used 12 string again sight unseen. Got burned once via an Ebay buy with an old Yamaha 12 string. Came with bowed neck, basically unplayable. Run don't walk.
                  If you find your self alone riding in green fields with the sun in your face... do not be troubled, for you are in Elysium. And you are already dead! Brothers... what we do in life... echoes in eternity! (Gladiator)

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                  • #10
                    Indeed there are. My old Eko Ranger uses that method - very easy to shim and adjust (although I've never had to do it in all its 30 year life).


                    The difference is that your Eko's neck block is maple...much stronger!
                    God(s) bless the rest of the world(s), too

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                    • #11
                      $20?? How do you figure just $20? Those tuners alone are worth, what?...a buck apiece? That's $12 right there. And the saddle's worth about $8.......so, that $12 plus $8 equals....let's see.....nought 'n' nought is nought.......carry the one....and ..Oh yeah.......that's right......$20!!
                      Three Dreads......2 Martins and 1 YamahaA fiddle, a mando, a uke, eight harmonicas, a Zoom H2, a Panasonic recorder, coupla penny whistles, an Italian made Titano accordion, three handguns, at least a dozen chess sets, more power tools than Bob Vila, and one old Westclox "Big Ben" wind-up alarm clock that still works! Oh, BTW, I forgot to mention my ocarina and maracas.

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                      • #12
                        $20?? How do you figure just $20? Those tuners alone are worth, what?...a buck apiece? That's $12 right there. And the saddle's worth about $8.......so, that $12 plus $8 equals....let's see.....nought 'n' nought is nought.......carry the one....and ..Oh yeah.......that's right......$20!!


                        You sussed it out perfectly...
                        God(s) bless the rest of the world(s), too

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