Members tbry Posted January 5, 2013 Members Share Posted January 5, 2013 1965 Gibson es-335 and Delta airlines baggage handlers....damn shame.http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...214634001.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FretFiend. Posted January 5, 2013 Members Share Posted January 5, 2013 Sickening. However the owner MUST take the principal blame for this. Airlines have an established reputation for being destructive with baggage. Google 'United Breaks Guitars'.Putting that guitar into the hands of an airline baggage system, in an obviously inadequate case, was pure stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarcapo Posted January 5, 2013 Members Share Posted January 5, 2013 Originally Posted by FretFiend. Sickening. However the owner MUST take the principal blame for this. Airlines have an established reputation for being destructive with baggage. Google 'United Breaks Guitars'.Putting that guitar into the hands of an airline baggage system, in an obviously inadequate case, was pure stupidity. While boarding in Buffalo, Schneider says he asked Delta staffers not to check in the vintage guitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldTwelver Posted January 5, 2013 Members Share Posted January 5, 2013 Well, that settles it then. From now on I'm flying my mother-in-law as checked baggage on Delta ......Thanks for the tip !! Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarcapo Posted January 5, 2013 Members Share Posted January 5, 2013 "Hanukkah-themed rock band, The LeeVees"?"Hockey-themed rock band", The Zambonis"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FretFiend. Posted January 5, 2013 Members Share Posted January 5, 2013 Originally Posted by guitarcapo Putting that guitar into the hands of an airline baggage system, in an obviously inadequate case, was pure stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted January 5, 2013 Members Share Posted January 5, 2013 Originally Posted by FretFiend. Putting that guitar into the hands of an airline baggage system, in an obviously inadequate case, was pure stupidity. According to the article, he was given no other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jamesp Posted January 5, 2013 Members Share Posted January 5, 2013 In that case? Almost criminally stupid. But then there's no reason to believe musicians are any smarter than baggage handlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guildfire Posted January 5, 2013 Members Share Posted January 5, 2013 Let's see you have a $10,000 guitar...put guitar in cheap case...entrust it to airlines baggage handling system....uh NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members denvertrakker Posted January 5, 2013 Members Share Posted January 5, 2013 "Hanukkah-themed rock band, The LeeVees"?"Hockey-themed rock band", The Zambonis"? Haiku-themed rock band, "We play, they applaud, all done" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FretFiend. Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by Terry Allan Hall According to the article, he was given no other options. Did they point a gun at him and tell him to check the guitar? Yes, he had other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by FretFiend. Did they point a gun at him and tell him to check the guitar? Yes, he had other options. Professional musicians do not blow off gigs just because an airline employee is being a jerk...in such a scenario, a pro makes the best of the crappy situation, even if there are unpleasant consequences from time to time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FretFiend. Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Professional people take care of the tools of their trade. Like maybe not putting an outrageously expensive instrument in harm's way... in a substandard case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarcapo Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by FretFiend. Putting that guitar into the hands of an airline baggage system, in an obviously inadequate case, was pure stupidity. I guess he could have just refused to fly and eaten the cost of the ticket since that was the only other option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by FretFiend. Professional people take care of the tools of their trade. Like maybe not putting an outrageously expensive instrument in harm's way... in a substandard case. He was accustomed to flying with his instrument in the overhead compartments...had the airline employee followed the new rules, it still would've been safe. Oviously, you've never hauled around an instrument in a flight case...those wheels on the bottom are not a fashion statement. A flightcase and luggage gets to be exhausting to travel with, unless you have a enterage to help carry things around, and it doesn't sound like this fellow was that far up the entertainer "food-chain".When I have to fly, I prefer to have the guitar in the seat beside me or I make arrangements to put my guitar (only my 12-string Taylor goes with me, and I borrow a six-string when I get there for the gigs) in the Captain's closet...usually, I can charm someone into allowing this, but I'm not above using a bribe ($50 is good). Whenever possible, though, I drive, take a bus or a train, because even in an ATA flightcase, guitars (and other instruments) get damaged/destroyed by the airlines all the time. Originally Posted by guitarcapo I guess he could have just refused to fly and eaten the cost of the ticket since that was the only other option. Strangely enough, refusing to show up for the gig under such circumstances is a good way to develope a reputation for being undependable and a prima donna...not conducive to ever playing that venue ever again.Do that often enough and you'll get to say such clever phrases as "You want fries with that?" at all of your next gigs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Neal Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 The case even bent a steel beam. Ouch, nice guitar, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FretFiend. Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Lose ten thousand dollar guitars too often, and "you'll get to say such clever phrases as "You want fries with that?" at all of your next gigs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarcapo Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by FretFiend. Lose ten thousand dollar guitars too often, and "you'll get to say such clever phrases as "You want fries with that?" at all of your next gigs" doubling down on stupid is fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by FretFiend. Lose ten thousand dollar guitars too often, and "you'll get to say such clever phrases as "You want fries with that?" at all of your next gigs" Know what happens when you renig on a performance contract? It can cost MUCH more that the cost of getting his guitar repaired. You're looking at the matter from the perspective of a hobbiest...he's not a hobbiest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FretFiend. Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by Terry Allan Hall Know what happens when you renig on a performance contract? It can cost MUCH more that the cost of getting his guitar repaired. You're looking at the matter from the perspective of a hobbiest...he's not a hobbiest. I'm looking at the matter from a realist's point of view. Know what happens when you lose your instrument??? Playing an air guitar won't go over too well with your audience, professional, hobbist, or rank amateur. There are alternatives to putting a ten grand guitar at foreseeable risk, Einstein. Planning for snags, such as obstinate airline people, isn't rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FretFiend. Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 However, if you wish to put a ten thousand dollar guitar in a standard case in checked baggage, you are perfectly free to do so. I don't feel a tantrum coming on, and I don't see any need to devote any further attention to you today unless you want to throw a tantrum yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pitar Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 http://www.casextreme.com/product.php?id=90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by FretFiend. I'm looking at the matter from a realist's point of view. Know what happens when you lose your instrument??? Playing an air guitar won't go over too well with your audience, professional, hobbist, or rank amateur. There are alternatives to putting a ten grand guitar at foreseeable risk, Einstein. Planning for snags, such as obstinate airline people, isn't rocket science. Again, for the slow...you're viewing this from a hobbiest's viewpoint, where the greatest danger your guitar is likely to encounter is your tripping over it in a drunken rage.Pro's instruments son't lead as sheltered an existance. And pros often can't make alternate plans, for instance, obstinate airline employees, at the last moment, while still living up to the constraints of the signed contract. Just one of the things you don't understand. Originally Posted by Pitar http://www.casextreme.com/product.php?id=90 Those really don't work as well as the website would like you to think...and they're certainly not airline proof, as many musicians have learned the hard way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by FretFiend. I'm looking at the matter from a realist's point of view. Know what happens when you lose your instrument??? Playing an air guitar won't go over too well with your audience, professional, hobbist, or rank amateur. There are alternatives to putting a ten grand guitar at foreseeable risk, Einstein. Planning for snags, such as obstinate airline people, isn't rocket science. Again, for the slow...you're viewing this from a hobbiest's viewpoint, where the greatest danger your guitar is likely to encounter is your tripping over it in a drunken rage.Pro's instruments don't lead as sheltered an existance. And pros often can't make alternate plans, for instance, obstinate airline employees, at the last moment, while still living up to the constraints of the signed contract. Just one of the things you don't understand. Originally Posted by Pitar http://www.casextreme.com/product.php?id=90 Those really don't work as well as the website would like you to think...and they're certainly not airline proof, as many musicians have learned the hard way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FretFiend. Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Again, for the slow:If you wish to put a ten thousand dollar guitar in a standard case in checked baggage, you are perfectly free to do so. As I said, I don't feel a tantrum coming on, and I don't see any need to devote any further attention to you today unless you want to throw a tantrum yourself, which obviously, you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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