(Question) When you guys are soloing, what chord shapes do you throw in?

[davesmile]

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[mrbrown49]

Double stops, different chord voicings, intervals...etc.

 

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[Chordite]

I am not conventional as us crazy people often say.Usually going more middle eight than solo. However when in the pentatonic zone I throw in some 3 string bends in the "A" shape* using the ring finger. (though it can only take so much of that without getting sore) and a few double stop riffs.

*aiming for the same 'kind' of sound as the horns on Orange County from 3:27 to 3:40

 

 

[onelife]

I approach the guitar the same way that I approach the piano in that I 'see' all the notes on the fingerboard. It's easy for me to visualize the chord changes so when I'm improvising I can 'fit' the lines I'm playing with the harmony.

[WRGKMC]

Back as a kid I discovered the box system from studying barre chords and mapping all the chords of the same type on a neck. Guess I picked it up when studying Violin which has a 4 position system due to its tuning span across the strings.

 

I later discovered the Box system on guitar had been in use for eons in training guitarists how to play. It can be very useful to know when switching from chords to leads, and even more useful when your add music theory to it.

 

There are 5 basic positions/inversions on guitar you can play on the neck before they start replicating and octave above or below, and those 5 contain the same notes for major or minor scales when simply shifted on the fretboard.

 

All the major and minor chord outlines are contained within the 5 boxes. Of course other scales are simply alterations to those boxes by adding or omitting notes within those boxes to reorganize them.

 

The thing that's great about using the box system is if you practice working within all boxes and learn how to move between boxes you can not only span the entire neck without hitting sour notes but you can visualize every note on the neck that can be played, at least till the next chord forces you to change boxes.

 

Here's a copy of the positions which I've color coded. If the first row in red were the open strings on a guitar neck, then these boxes will work in either E Minor or G Major.

 

 

As you can see the red bar repeats itself at the 12th fret and 24th. The boxes can be shifted up or down the fretboard as well.

 

There are other notes within these boxes which can of course be used or omitted but these can at least get you to the proper positions on the fret board. You can work yourself across the fretboard working between the red and yellow, yellow and blue, blue and green, green and orange, and orange and red. As is, with the red being open strings you can immediately see where all the partial chords exist as well as many Aug, Sus, 7th, 6th, Dim chords can be played within the boxes when you overlay barre chord inversions.

 

Using this makes it very easy to run the neck using double and triple notes too when playing leads. Just take two notes on any row and as you move from one color row to the next the changes are right there.

 

One other item worth mentioning. I was formally trained in playing violin before guitar and it was essential to use all 4 fingers when playing scales. May self taught guitarists don't use their pinky, at least not equally when playing leads. You may find it useful to use one finger per fret when playing within these boxes. For example if you are on the 12th fret on the low E string you'd use your pointer then pinky going from E to G with the two unused frets and unused fingers in between. If you do a reach using your third finger instead you'll run into complications with your fingers getting twisted up doing more complex scales and also have major difficulties adapting to positions like between the blue and green boxes where the reach between the second and third strings requires an additional fret shift to make the reach between two double spaced boxes.

 

Anyway, make a copy of this and experiment with this. You'll soon make a mental map of the fret board and be able to navigate it from end to end without even having to look at the fret board and also be able to pick out any chords you want.

 

Once you know the boxes in Em/G simply shift the boxes up or down to whatever key you choose, just like you would do shifting a barre chord. Either end of the red bar will tell you the minor key and either end of the yellow box will tell you the major key. From there you can simply patch in or remove the notes to alter the scales.

[catscurlyear]

i like to throw in some elvis or jimi shapes ,but normallty get laughed at.

[Freeman Keller]

I approach this completely different from a true electric guitar player. I am an acoustic player who only recently has started fooling around with electrics. I am a solo player in both meanings of the word - I play by myself and I play the solo melody of my songs - in other words you can tell the song by the notes that I'm playing. At the same time I'm playing the bass line and maybe some fills.

 

Everything I play is out of the chord - whether its jazz or blues or something in between. It might be ii V I or I VI V or some other progression - most of the time I'm playing the bass line with my thumb and melody with finger.

[mrbrown49]

Ever listen to Chris Smither? He is incredible at that technique. Hard to believe its just one guy playing at times.

[Freeman Keller]

He is an incredible player - I'm just the opposite, but that is what I'm trying to do.

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Back as a kid I discovered the box system from studying barre chords and mapping all the chords of the same type on a neck. Guess I picked it up when studying Violin which has a 4 position system due to its tuning span across the strings.

 

I later discovered the Box system on guitar had been in use for eons in training guitarists how to play. It can be very useful to know when switching from chords to leads, and even more useful when your add music theory to it.

 

There are 5 basic positions/inversions on guitar you can play on the neck before they start replicating and octave above or below, and those 5 contain the same notes for major or minor scales when simply shifted on the fretboard.

 

All the major and minor chord outlines are contained within the 5 boxes. Of course other scales are simply alterations to those boxes by adding or omitting notes within those boxes to reorganize them.

 

The thing that's great about using the box system is if you practice working within all boxes and learn how to move between boxes you can not only span the entire neck without hitting sour notes but you can visualize every note on the neck that can be played, at least till the next chord forces you to change boxes.

 

Here's a copy of the positions which I've color coded. If the first row in red were the open strings on a guitar neck, then these boxes will work in either E Minor or G Major.

 

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As you can see the red bar repeats itself at the 12th fret and 24th. The boxes can be shifted up or down the fretboard as well.

 

There are other notes within these boxes which can of course be used or omitted but these can at least get you to the proper positions on the fret board. You can work yourself across the fretboard working between the red and yellow, yellow and blue, blue and green, green and orange, and orange and red. As is, with the red being open strings you can immediately see where all the partial chords exist as well as many Aug, Sus, 7th, 6th, Dim chords can be played within the boxes when you overlay barre chord inversions.

 

Using this makes it very easy to run the neck using double and triple notes too when playing leads. Just take two notes on any row and as you move from one color row to the next the changes are right there.

 

One other item worth mentioning. I was formally trained in playing violin before guitar and it was essential to use all 4 fingers when playing scales. May self taught guitarists don't use their pinky, at least not equally when playing leads. You may find it useful to use one finger per fret when playing within these boxes. For example if you are on the 12th fret on the low E string you'd use your pointer then pinky going from E to G with the two unused frets and unused fingers in between. If you do a reach using your third finger instead you'll run into complications with your fingers getting twisted up doing more complex scales and also have major difficulties adapting to positions like between the blue and green boxes where the reach between the second and third strings requires an additional fret shift to make the reach between two double spaced boxes.

 

Anyway, make a copy of this and experiment with this. You'll soon make a mental map of the fret board and be able to navigate it from end to end without even having to look at the fret board and also be able to pick out any chords you want.

 

Once you know the boxes in Em/G simply shift the boxes up or down to whatever key you choose, just like you would do shifting a barre chord. Either end of the red bar will tell you the minor key and either end of the yellow box will tell you the major key. From there you can simply patch in or remove the notes to alter the scales.

 

That’s the system I used to learn rock lead guitar, I got it from this book. My original copy of Improvising Rock Guitar went MIA decades ago, but I recently rebought it from Amazon.