Members Grant Harding Posted October 5, 2017 Members Share Posted October 5, 2017 Seriously - I always thought EVH was a visionary with his approach, but it seems he just perfected what RR was already doing. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HMDILRF9yNU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crustoleum Posted October 5, 2017 Members Share Posted October 5, 2017 Both of those individuals , in my opinion" have "fluid dexterity" , the notes "flow" kind of like "rapids" in a river ...Good allegory/comparison , maybe? What's in a "name" ? Fluid dexterity, melodious.... What is "that" type of "playing" called ? is there a proper "name" ? dexterous arpeggiation ? I probably speled that wrong i cant spell to good sometimes , maybe What do you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted October 5, 2017 Author Members Share Posted October 5, 2017 Both physically gifted that's for sure. I mean that some of EVH signature lead lines were lifted almost directly from RR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted October 5, 2017 Author Members Share Posted October 5, 2017 Legato? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crustoleum Posted October 5, 2017 Members Share Posted October 5, 2017 is that the "proper term" ? maybe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crustoleum Posted October 5, 2017 Members Share Posted October 5, 2017 "Staccato" too , maybe interesting Is this terminology correct , for that "style" of performing ? maybe ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legato https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staccato I have mentioned this before... I am not an "accomplished" guitar player hack...but , I do try to learn something different each and every day. Today , I am trying , maybe , to understand ^that^ Do you ? What do you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crustoleum Posted October 5, 2017 Members Share Posted October 5, 2017 "both" , together , simultaneously maybe ? Is "that" even possible ? trying a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crustoleum Posted October 5, 2017 Members Share Posted October 5, 2017 I asked my youngest son, the sax player, he couldn't really explain "Legato" , he said maybe "softly" maybe. . He told me "staccato" means "attack" or how "hard" one produces the note(s) maybe...he wasn't totally sure...Its been 15 years since "band" lol which he took for 8 years lol busy man now , job , girl life... :) Can anyone "here" give a "better" explanation ? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted October 5, 2017 Author Members Share Posted October 5, 2017 Legato is when you smoothly transition from note to note without any silence in between. Staccato is the opposite - short notes with rests in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted October 5, 2017 Author Members Share Posted October 5, 2017 Most solos have a combination - some smooth legato phrases and some rhythmic staccato parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hellion_213 Posted October 6, 2017 Members Share Posted October 6, 2017 That's a very pronounced statement, and while I do not discount, in any way, Randy's overwhelming musical influence, I'm thinking they pretty much fired up at almost the exact same time. Quiet Riot's local band push to signing and Halen's Kiss backed demo were in the same year. Truth be told, they most likely tried to 'one-up' each other in an unspoken battle of guitar riffs and solos. Of course, little did they know that Michael Angelo Batio would come along and completely destroy everything, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted October 6, 2017 Members Share Posted October 6, 2017 From that clip up there it seems that Eddie made all the music and Rhoads settled for trying to rock moar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members badpenguin Posted October 6, 2017 Members Share Posted October 6, 2017 I kinda disagree with that title of the thread. I think what we had then, was a parallel evolution of style. Both "borrowing" from each other, and independently making it their own. And they borrowed from others before them. The tapping most notably from Steve Hackett/Anthony Phillips from Genesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted October 7, 2017 Author Members Share Posted October 7, 2017 I was wrong. It's way more complicated than that. I suspect EVH had the bigger influence on Randy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sammyreynolds01 Posted October 7, 2017 Members Share Posted October 7, 2017 I think one of the comments in the video said it perfectly. RR was a classical trained guitar player and it showed. Eddie was more blues on steroids. Both were great and the sad thing he will never know how great Randy would be now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crustoleum Posted October 7, 2017 Members Share Posted October 7, 2017 thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members 1001gear Posted October 7, 2017 Members Share Posted October 7, 2017 "Staccato" too , maybe interesting Is this terminology correct , for that "style" of performing ? maybe ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legato https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staccato I have mentioned this before... I am not an "accomplished" guitar player hack...but , I do try to learn something different each and every day. Today , I am trying , maybe , to understand ^that^ Do you ? What do you think ? Those two are just Latin for different note articulations. Staccato for sharp and percussive/detached and legato for seamless connection of notes. Both can be done poorly and unevenly so descriptors like fluid might be more accurate. Fluent, smooth, virtuosic, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted October 7, 2017 Members Share Posted October 7, 2017 I think one of the comments in the video said it perfectly. RR was a classical trained guitar player and it showed. Eddie was more blues on steroids. Both were great and the sad thing he will never know how great Randy would be now. I think "classically trained" is overrated. It seems to imply expert or good musician but there are bad classical musicians besides the rockin' phonies variety. Eddie had a much better grasp on classical having been born into that world. Keyboards and solo from Jump come immediately to mind but overall the VH years showed a firm grasp of what makes tunes "happen". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crustoleum Posted October 7, 2017 Members Share Posted October 7, 2017 When EVH and RR do that wicked tapping stuff that made them kind of "known" for being able to "play" wicked fast , I guess . , are those "methods" employed in that "style" i don't know these things obviously thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted October 7, 2017 Members Share Posted October 7, 2017 Here's a list you can go through at your leisure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_musical_terms_used_in_English Symphony guys would be thoroughly versed in these and then some. Other languages too obviously. I'm only familiar with the most common ones regarding tempo, dynamics, instrumentation, expression etc. The rest are totally new to me but the terms are useful in rehearsal and just discussing music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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