Members Grant Harding Posted November 21, 2015 Members Share Posted November 21, 2015 I had to learn this song recently and noticed something about the intro that I'd never noticed. The rhythm guitar tone completely changes after the second bar. You think that's just the engineer using EQ to make space for the vocals or a totally different guitar and/or amp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onelife Posted November 21, 2015 Members Share Posted November 21, 2015 The first bit of solo guitar may have been tagged on to the beginning of the recording. Not only does the guitar tone change but there are two guitars panned and the drums and bass join in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catscurlyear Posted November 22, 2015 Members Share Posted November 22, 2015 the guitar intro is just loud and big and then dropped down in volume when the drums and bass come in ,it isn`t totaly mixed out you can still hear it slightly in the middle with the addition of another two rhythm tracks left and right the left one is played a bit looser at times ,great sound ,one of my all time fave tracks.although i`m sure it`s everyones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted November 22, 2015 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2015 Our lead singer: "Can we take it down to D?" Me: "Technically..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted November 22, 2015 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2015 I think this is what engineers mean when they say that a guitar tone needs to work in the context of the other instruments. I think the engineer put a smile EQ on the guitar as well as bringing the volume down. This leaves a nice big hole in the mix for the lead vocal and snare drum. I'm trying to get the other guitarist in a band I play with to think like this. He just hammers it out at high volume the whole time with a really midrange-heavy tone. You can't hear subtleties from anyone. So frustrating and he doesn't listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sammyreynolds01 Posted November 22, 2015 Members Share Posted November 22, 2015 I think this is what engineers mean when they say that a guitar tone needs to work in the context of the other instruments. I think the engineer put a smile EQ on the guitar as well as bringing the volume down. This leaves a nice big hole in the mix for the lead vocal and snare drum. I'm trying to get the other guitarist in a band I play with to think like this. He just hammers it out at high volume the whole time with a really midrange-heavy tone. You can't hear subtleties from anyone. So frustrating and he doesn't listen. His problem is more volume than eq. If you have a sound guy during gigs I would talk to him. A couple of gigs have being turned down, he'll get the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chordite Posted November 22, 2015 Members Share Posted November 22, 2015 I think this is what engineers mean when they say that a guitar tone needs to work in the context of the other instruments. I think the engineer put a smile EQ on the guitar as well as bringing the volume down. This leaves a nice big hole in the mix for the lead vocal and snare drum. I'm trying to get the other guitarist in a band I play with to think like this. He just hammers it out at high volume the whole time with a really midrange-heavy tone. You can't hear subtleties from anyone. So frustrating and he doesn't listen. That, as I am fond of saying, is the difference between a band and four soloists on a stage together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catscurlyear Posted November 22, 2015 Members Share Posted November 22, 2015 I think this is what engineers mean when they say that a guitar tone needs to work in the context of the other instruments. I think the engineer put a smile EQ on the guitar as well as bringing the volume down. This leaves a nice big hole in the mix for the lead vocal and snare drum. I'm trying to get the other guitarist in a band I play with to think like this. He just hammers it out at high volume the whole time with a really midrange-heavy tone. You can't hear subtleties from anyone. So frustrating and he doesn't listen. sack him he`ll probs hear that. i find at jam sessions the noisey ones are the ones who won`t eyeball you ,they`re off on one in their own little world, grinding out full chords,like status quo on steroids grind. grind .grind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted November 22, 2015 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2015 That's so true. Grind grind. I'm just helping these guys out until they find another lead player, so there's a natural offramp there. The other guitarist seems to be improving, but slowly. The first step is getting him to not play at all in some parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onelife Posted November 22, 2015 Members Share Posted November 22, 2015 Is he willing to learn from you and open to suggestions? Perhaps you could record a show then listen to it together and you could point out certain bits - both the ones that work and the ones that don't. Sometimes it's good to be embarrassed by recordings of our own playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeepEnd Posted November 22, 2015 Members Share Posted November 22, 2015 Our lead singer: "Can we take it down to D?" Me: "Technically..." I've never played it but from the chords on various Internet sites it appears to be in G so that would be a ways down. You'd pretty much have to shift everything one string (i.e., a riff on the G string would have to be played on the D string). I have to do something like that myself because I have a fairly low voice but I generally don't sing leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted November 22, 2015 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2015 Yeah - it can be done in a pinch, but the main guitar part gets mangled. We compromise by doing it in G. He can manage it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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