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  • Open Eb chord

    Ok , I tend to play an A shape barre on 6th fret, or other variation, but is this open Eb actually playable?

    To qualify, I mean the one commonly displayed as

    3rd fret

    B 4th

    G 3rd

    D 1st

     

     

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  • #2

    Why wouldn't you use..

    E 6th

    B 8th

    G 8th

    D 8th

     

    The distance from the highest line on your wrist to the tip of your middle finger is the exact length of what?

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    • knotty
      knotty commented
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      Danhedonia wrote:

      Not trying to put on airs - isn't everyone playing most chords and variations in the CAGED positions at a minimum?  Andy Summer was all that cuz of his inversions ...

       


      Yes mainly.

      What prompted the thread was 2 fold. I was looking for options to give a tonal balance to suit playing with cowboy chords.

      The chord chart for the song I am playing has the fingering in the OP. So as well as harvesting suggestions I wondered if anybody could play that fingering well enough to actually use it. Why put it in the book when its practically impossible?


    • benzem
      benzem commented
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      1) x

      2) 11

      3) 0 (to make it an open chord)

      4) x

      5) 10

      6) 11

       

      ?


    • onelife
      onelife commented
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      knotty wrote:

      What prompted the thread was 2 fold. I was looking for options to give a tonal balance to suit playing with cowboy chords.

      The chord chart for the song I am playing has the fingering in the OP. So as well as harvesting suggestions I wondered if anybody could play that fingering well enough to actually use it. Why put it in the book when its practically impossible?


      What I've noticed about music in books is that sometimes there is not a lot of musical thought that goes into it.

      The fingering in the OP seems to be chosen to provide the notes in the Eb chord that are closest to the nut.

      Even for an experienced guitarist it is an awkward fingering and probably would not be chosen even if played in context with cowboy chords.

      The C formation with a barre on the first three strings at the third fret would be my choice and with a bit of practice can be quite comfortable to play. It is also a movable formation and lends itself to a nice sounding Maj7 voicing simply by lifting the second finger up off the B string.


  • #3

    knotty wrote:

    Ok , I tend to play an A shape barre on 6th fret, or other variation, but is this open Eb actually playable?

    To qualify, I mean the one commonly displayed as

    3rd fret

    B 4th

    G 3rd

    D 1st

     

     


    Depending who you are, yes.  I can only do it awkwardly, and prefer this variation:

    3rd fret

    B 4th

    G 3rd

    D 5th

    (plus A 6th if you want to pick up the next root note)

    It's a lot easier to move into and out of and use as the basis for single note runs.

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    • benzem
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      onelife wrote:

      gardo wrote:

      PurpleTrails wrote:

      Depending who you are, yes.  I can only do it awkwardly, and prefer this variation:

      3rd fret

      B 4th

      G 3rd

      D 5th

      (plus A 6th if you want to pick up the next root note)

      It's a lot easier to move into and out of and use as the basis for single note runs.


      It works for me too. Like a C chord


      That's a good chord shape or "grip" to practice to the point where you can just land on it in any position.

      If you barre the first four strings with your first finger you can get some nice Hendrix style fills going with your ring finger doing hammer ons on the fourth and third strings.


      Confused. Thought we were trying somehow to make this an open chord. My bad.


    • onelife
      onelife commented
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      benzem wrote:

      Confused. Thought we were trying somehow to make this an open chord. My bad.


      That's what I thought too when I first read the title. My suggestion was going to be tune down half a step and play the open E formation.


    • knotty
      knotty commented
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      PurpleTrails wrote:

      knotty wrote:

      Ok , I tend to play an A shape barre on 6th fret, or other variation, but is this open Eb actually playable?

      To qualify, I mean the one commonly displayed as

      3rd fret

      B 4th

      G 3rd

      D 1st

       

       


      Depending who you are, yes.  I can only do it awkwardly, and prefer this variation:

      3rd fret

      B 4th

      G 3rd

      D 5th

      (plus A 6th if you want to pick up the next root note)

      It's a lot easier to move into and out of and use as the basis for single note runs.


      Yeah, I can play it but not in any practical context.

      This version looks like the answer.

      I actually use this grip on the 2nd fret when playing  Frees 'Alright now' !


  • #4

    Edited, As Benzem points out below the question was  "is this fingering playable?" not how do YOU play an Eb?

    My bad

    Funny how minimalism goes on and on

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    • #5

      knotty wrote:

      Ok , I tend to play an A shape barre on 6th fret, or other variation, but is this open Eb actually playable?

      To qualify, I mean the one commonly displayed as

      3rd fret

      B 4th

      G 3rd

      D 1st

       

       


      E 6
      B 4

      G 0

      D x

      A 6

      E x

       

      The G is the only open possibilty. This is a different voicing. I III I V

       

       

       

       

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      • #6

        You could use that, but if you find it extremely uncomfortable (as you probably already know) you could use this:

        E x

        B 8

        G 8

        D 8

        A 6

        E x

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        • DeepEnd
          DeepEnd commented
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          gardo wrote:

          dependig on what your playing......

          .capo


          Thanks. I was thinking the same thing. Play a D with a capo at the 1st fret or a C with the capo at the 3rd fret and you get Eb. Heretical perhaps but it works.

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        • thewthrman
          thewthrman commented
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          onelife wrote:

          Tritone is what I intended to say.

          If you have a bass player and are playing an E7 - A7 vamp you can simply play the tritone in each of the chords. The interval between the third and flat seventh is a diminished fifth.

          The tritone is the only symmetrical interval (other than the octave) so the difference between the third and seventh is the same as between the seventh and the third.

          For E7 you could play G# and D (the third and seventh) then slide down one fret so you are playing G natural and C# (the seventh and third) for the A7.

          For a blues turnaround in G you might use the chords G7 - E7 - A7 - D7.

          For G7 the tritone is F - B then slide up three frets to G# - D for the E7 then down one fret for A7 (G natural - C#) then down one more fret for D7 (F# - C natural) and back to G (F -B).




          Right you are.  A lot of the time I play just a couple notes.  Seems like alot of guys think you have to use all the strings to be bona fide.


          I re-read your orginal post and you were spot on.  No need for me to have tried to clarify.


        • harryorgans
          harryorgans commented
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          I either play Eb as a traditional barre chord, or more often I use the 'C' shape and put a bar on the fret behind it with my first finger.  


      • #7

        Depends on the song, but you can potentially make the chord a maj7 or even add the 9th.

         

        E 3 (or 1)

        B 3

        G 0

        D 1

        A x

        E x

         

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        • #8

          knotty wrote:

          Ok , I tend to play an A shape barre on 6th fret, or other variation, but is this open Eb actually playable?

          To qualify, I mean the one commonly displayed as

          3rd fret

          B 4th

          G 3rd

          D 1st

           


          It's definitely playable (just tried on my classical here at work), but I probably never would.  It's not the easiest shape to grab.  If I wanted that exact voicing I'd hit Eb on the 6th fret of the A string instead of the 1st fret of the D string - just a C-shape barre chord without the G note on the D string.

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          • knotty
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            BydoEmpire wrote:

            knotty wrote:

            Ok , I tend to play an A shape barre on 6th fret, or other variation, but is this open Eb actually playable?

            To qualify, I mean the one commonly displayed as

            3rd fret

            B 4th

            G 3rd

            D 1st

             


            It's definitely playable (just tried on my classical here at work), but I probably never would.  It's not the easiest shape to grab.  If I wanted that exact voicing I'd hit Eb on the 6th fret of the A string instead of the 1st fret of the D string - just a C-shape barre chord without the G note on the D string.


            Yeah I think that is a very viable option. As a movable shape it has extra benefits as well. Thx.


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          • #10

            knotty wrote:

            Ok , I tend to play an A shape barre on 6th fret, or other variation, but is this open Eb actually playable?

            To qualify, I mean the one commonly displayed as

            3rd fret

            B 4th

            G 3rd

            D 1st

             

             


            Are you trying to tune to an open Eb? 

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