Members HanSolo Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 In a post titled "Ebay Follies ...", this guy got a damaged Epiphone Dot Deluxe. In the picture posted below, it shows the fretboard separating from the body. WTF? The edge of the fretboard is just a veneer and you see the actual fretboard wood behind it where it is chipped away. Is that mahogany or plywood I see? The fretboard is some other wood or plywood with a rosewood veneer over it? Not a solid rosewood fretboard? Holy shit. How crappy is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members axegrinder Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 That does look like different grain behind the finish. Jeez it seems way too labor intensive to veneer the board though...how much could they save really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HanSolo Posted October 20, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 To my eye, I am seeing a maple neck (white), a mahogany or plywood fretboard base (pink) presumably with a rosewood veneer on top (what we see) and a rosewood veneer "binding" to make it look like a solid rosewood fretboard. I am personally floored and disappointed by this kind of cheap construction in what they claim to be a guality guitar. Remember, Chinese labor is cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HCadvisor Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Treborklow Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 And is it a real Rosewood veneer, or just a man made Rosewood look a like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members xtchc1978 Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 "And is it a real Rosewood veneer, or just a man made Rosewood look a like?" +1 looks like some kind of man made laminate. Not surprised. I am sure all those Gibson bashing China made Epiphone lovers will have some sort of an excuse as to why a laminated plywood, or whatever it is, fretboard is better then a Gibson fretboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Funderbunk Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 I'm not sure I agree with the assessment - to me, it just looks like a rosewood board that has the finish chipped off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willeh Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 If this is true, thats really shitty, glad i didn't get an Epiphone, come on Edwards! Someone has to prove this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oyaji Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 on the other hand, there has to be a few dot owners here who have played enough to wear down past what is supposedly a veneer fingerboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members xtchc1978 Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 "just looks like a rosewood board that has the finish chipped off." If that were true the grain of the wood wouldn't change. That is totally different grain under there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oyaji Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 I'm not sure I agree with the assessment - to me, it just looks like a rosewood board that has the finish chipped off. doesn't look like anything resembling rosewood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaleH Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 I'm not sure I agree with the assessment - to me, it just looks like a rosewood board that has the finish chipped off. There is no finish on Rosewood, that's why you have to oil it sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Funderbunk Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 There is no finnish on Rosewood, that's why you have to oil it sometimes. There's no finish on the TOP of rosewood boards, there is on the sides - it goes up over the side of the board and the side dots. Keep in mind, guys, that we're looking at a picture taken at close range with a flash - the grain of the underlying wood is pretty much washed out. And if you haven't seen a huge difference in appearance between unfinished and finished wood, you haven't done much woodworking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaleH Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 I see what you mean but why would it change color and grain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Funderbunk Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 I see what you mean but why would it change color and grain? The grain is there - if you look closely, in continuation with the darker streaks of the finished areas, there are differences in the shading (quite hard to detect) of the base wood. Take a look at this slab of rosewood for sale at Hearne Hardwoods: The left end - where it's lighter and the grain is not nearly as pronounced - is dry. The right end has been dampened to show what the wood will look like when finished. EDIT: now, that said - it's probably a relatively lousy piece of rosewood, and the neck looks like it probably is maple. go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members studdhuss Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 Damn Playwood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zappa74 Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 I'm not sure I agree with the assessment - to me, it just looks like a rosewood board that has the finish chipped off. That was my guess too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members xtchc1978 Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 Ok after a 500% zoom I see it. I didn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Funderbunk Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 Regardless it still doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oyaji Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 I've seen a lot of crappy rosewood fingerboards in my day (I'm thinking we all have) but if that's rosewood!!! Jeez, we're talking some serious bottom of the barrel stuff here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cyberpunk409 Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 well what epi is it though? if it's a crappy G-310 or something in that league then i'm not suprised... but if it's an EPI LES PAUL STANDARD then i doubt it. I can with 100% certainty say that the rosewood fretboard on my Epi LP is SOLID rosewood, no veneer. ok, just read the Epi DOT part... sorry. look, i doubt it. i think it's just an optical illusion from the camera... my epi LP was made in china too and like i said, it was with 100% certainty, solid rosewood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hoddy Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 Couldn't someone tell by removing the nut and examining the end of the fretboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cyberpunk409 Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 Couldn't someone tell by removing the nut and examining the end of the fretboard? thats what i did with my Epi LP, and thats why i know for SURE that it wasn't a rosewood veneer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atrox Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 Rosewood is pretty cheap. Especially the stuff that China uses. That would be asinine FYI, I have done an entire refret on my Epi LP and it's solid. Flash playing tricks on that picture Edit. It looks like the fret ends were filled in a tad. Not easy to show that with a veneer. Plus, the lacquer would be a tad thicker there for that very reason anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members metalheadUK Posted October 20, 2007 Members Share Posted October 20, 2007 Have you got a link to the original thread? Last time I saw something like this, it was an Epi LP custom with a fibreboard body. Turns out it was a fake Epi..not an Epi at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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