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  • #16
    Tonelabs like clean, high headroom amplifiocation and full range speakers. Small, active PA speakers wotrk really well:
    JBL EON15 active.
    Mackie SRM450.
    EV SX300.
    Behringer something.

    Or look at Roland and Behringer keyboard amps.

    If you really want just a power amp, personnaly, I would like to try it through one of these:

    http://www.electrovoice.com/products/40.html
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    • #17
      I use an Atomic 212 and it is the best thing you can get for a modeller.
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      • #18
        I use an Atomic 212 and it is the best thing you can get for a modeller.


        please read what i said earlier and what Nik said.

        to be absolutely ****************ing clear, modellers need clean headroom (as in no distortion what-so-ever) and full range faithful reproduction of the input signal.

        a legit PA set up will have these:

        headroom - like i mentioned, srm450 and eon 15 g2 will have 300 watts going into low frequency driver ALONE. they will have 100 watts going into the freakin' tweeter.

        full range - no way in hell you can get full range without a tweeter. atomic doesn't have a tweeter.

        excuse my lack of modesty. you can say atomic is very good for modellers. i'll believe you.

        don't use the word best. because it's not the best.

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        • #19
          +1 on the MosValve

          Crate PB is good is you use the CD in jack to avoid the internal cabinet model of the PB

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          • #20
            I use a Roland KC-60 keyboard amp that I got for a bargain off Ebay with my Tonelab (desktop). Sounds great and it is very loud, but it is only 30 watts with a 10" speaker. You could try a KC-150 (65 watts) or KC-350 (120 watts), supposed to be good amps but not as cheap as a solid state guitar amp, but probably better for a Tonelab as mentioned. Could always buy used.
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            • #21

              full range - no way in hell you can get full range without a tweeter. atomic doesn't have a tweeter.

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              Full range isn't a good thing for guitar, necessarily. The only times I've heard an electric guitar through tweeters or horns (not counting PA reinforcement), it sounded like dog****************. YMMV.

              I'm not a fan of modelers at all, really, but that is exactly what the Atomic is specifically designed for. I'm sure they wouldn't have forgotten to put a tweeter in, if it was necessary to reproduce the modeler's sounds. Why would you want to hear a model of a plexi, for example, through tweeters, or a full range cab, though? It's not as though the orignal amps (or ANY guitar amps, for that matter) are "full range".
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              • #22
                I was kind of in the same boat but unlike you I didn't need tons of power so I said screw it and got a small tube amp.

                But I have been using modellers for years as my main gear and you seem to be on the right track. I've heard horror stories of tone about guys trying to send something that is modelling one amp into another true amp.

                Tonguelashing from the page before withstanding I have heard great things about Atomic Amps. Having not used one I can't call it the best, but if I was in the market it would probably be the first place I look.
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                • #23
                  Full range isn't a good thing for guitar, necessarily. The only times I've heard an electric guitar through tweeters or horns (not counting PA reinforcement), it sounded like dog****************. YMMV.

                  I'm not a fan of modelers at all, really, but that is exactly what the Atomic is specifically designed for. I'm sure they wouldn't have forgotten to put a tweeter in, if it was necessary to reproduce the modeler's sounds. Why would you want to hear a model of a plexi, for example, through tweeters, or a full range cab, though? It's not as though the orignal amps (or ANY guitar amps, for that matter) are "full range".


                  to be brief and to simplify,

                  fundamental frequencies of guitar is from 80hz to 1300hz. this is not full range. but way above these frequencies is the higher harmonics of the fundamental frequencies. these basically define 'tone' in part.

                  think traditional model

                  guitar -> amp -> mic -> PA

                  mic hears what we hear. and by the time it reaches our ears, the harmonics of the guitar have went through the amp and the amp adds its own harmonics and cab does different things to each frequencies. guitar cabs are capable of making high frequency noises. just in not faithful fashion.

                  basically modeller tries to replace 'amp -> mic' and it is ideal to pass it off to PA. if you're running it to atomic, it looks like

                  guitar -> modeller -> atomic

                  equals

                  guitar -> 'amp -> mic' -> atomic.

                  just imagine that you hooked up to your amp to, say, blackface twin or whatever you're modelling. then mic'ed it up. then instead of sending it to a mixer like you usually would after you mic up an amp, you sent it to atomic instead.

                  this can sound good. you just won't be hearing what the guys who made the modeller wanted you to hear. close but not as close as PA will get you. atomic is closer to PA than a regular guitar rig. the whole point of atomic is to make something resembling a PA as closely as possible in a guitar cab form factor. truth.

                  * if it makes the understanding easier, think of what comes out of modellers. line level output. that you can listen to out of headphones. it is meant for full-range reproduction.

                  there is nothing controversial about what i've said. read the manual of any modeller. contact the customer support reps. they'll say for best possible operation, send it to full-range set-up.

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                  • #24
                    I'd go to the PA and use the volume pedal on the tomelab to control the soundlevel if you really want to piss the sound guy off!
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                    • #25
                      I also have a Peavey Classic 60/60 but I think the MosValve works much better with any digital efx:thu:

                      If they were good enough for Jerry Cantrell theyre good enough for me



                      Not to de-rail the thread, but what kind of Ibby is that on the right? Looks cool as hell. I'm not much into Ibanez guitars but I like that one!
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                      • #26
                        Not to de-rail the thread, but what kind of Ibby is that on the right? Looks cool as hell. I'm not much into Ibanez guitars but I like that one!



                        Its an 83 RS 335 and only made for that year. Mine has been stripped down and oiled. The sc pickup in the neck position sounds like a P90 and has very large pole pieces. Its a killer little guitar, thanks for the compliment:thu:
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                        • #27
                          Its an 83 RS 335 and only made for that year. Mine has been stripped down and oiled. The sc pickup in the neck position sounds like a P90 and has very large pole pieces. Its a killer little guitar, thanks for the compliment:thu:


                          I wonder if they're around on E-Bay? Seriously, I like that a LOT.
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                          • #28
                            I wonder if they're around on E-Bay? Seriously, I like that a LOT.

                            You can still find them on Ebay every once and a while. They usually go for around $200 or higher if theyre in xclnt shape. From the factory they only came in white or black.
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                            • #29
                              I wonder if they're around on E-Bay? Seriously, I like that a LOT.


                              Theres a couple of other guys on the forum that have them as well.
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                              • #30
                                I'll check out the Mosvalve. I've also found the Tech 21 power engine interesting but so far no one has mentioned this as a viable option. Maybe because it's only 60watts and you'd need a wall of them to make a dent. Hey Dimmypage. Do you play out in Portland? I work in Beaverton and ocasionally get out to hear live acts. Thought it would be cool to hear your set up live.

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