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    I've got a Tonelab SE. I run it through a 59 Vibrolux for home practice. My kid is starting to jam/play out and he likes the ToneLab SE but needs more watts for bigger halls/venues. He really wants a Marshal stack but doesn't realize what a pain these things are to lug around! I've head mixed reviews about the Crate PowerBlock...both good and crappy. Is there anything out there like a powerblock, ie. 150W, light, cheap, that would fill the bill for powering a ToneLab or any other amp modeler? I know most guys run their modeler straigth into the board, but he still likes having control over sound levels, etc. Thanks.

  • #2
    I have an old Traynor Bloc 100. It's a solid state 100 watt 1X12. The clean channel is very transparent. If you watch eBay you can find them cheap fairly regularly. They're all a bit old now, having been built in the 80s, but they're simple and tough. Just a thought.


    So are we talking a 100W power amp in a 1x12 enclosure? That would fit the bill perfectly.

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    • #3
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      • #4
        I've got a Tonelab SE. I run it through a 59 Vibrolux for home practice. My kid is starting to jam/play out and he likes the ToneLab SE but needs more watts for bigger halls/venues. He really wants a Marshal stack but doesn't realize what a pain these things are to lug around! I've head mixed reviews about the Crate PowerBlock...both good and crappy. Is there anything out there like a powerblock, ie. 150W, light, cheap, that would fill the bill for powering a ToneLab or any other amp modeler? I know most guys run their modeler straigth into the board, but he still likes having control over sound levels, etc. Thanks.


        Hi,

        I have a TLSE myself. I would stay away from the Crate. I could never get a totally clean tone from it to run any modeller... always added a bit of gain and I came to dislike for just that reason.

        Right now I am running my SE through a Rocktron poweramp I purchased used off of E-bay. There is one on E-bay right now... could probably snag it for under $200 shipped and it would last him many years... then you get a 2 x 12 cab and you are all set.... or get 2 1 x 12 cabs like I have and run it in stereo and you are in tonal heaven!! Yessum!!

        I know some people have good luck running a modeller into the front end of a combo (or effects loop) but I have never had good results doing that with ANY modeller on ANY amp (except the Atomic... which I have not tried and is designed from what I hear for modellers).

        I believe that the best tones are attainable, in my estimation, by having lots of clean, pristine power. Even a PA amp... or studio reference amp will get your son better sound than running through a combo.

        Good luck,
        BP

        P.S. Rocktron, ADA, Crate SPA-series, ART SLA-series, B.K. Butler Mosvalve, Alesis, are all excellent choices for powering the SE.
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        Marshall Artist 3203 Head--$500
        EQD Monarch OD Distortion Pedal---$110
        EQD White Light OD Pedal---$100
        EQD Hoof Fuzz 4 knob--$110



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          • #6
            Not sure why a PB woulden't suit the bill. I use mine al the time and never had any issues with it not cleaning up... in fact it's almost too clean. The PB has so many differnt uses but I think a lot of people missed what they are good at as well as Crate not advertising them the right way.

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            • #7
              Not sure why a PB woulden't suit the bill. I use mine al the time and never had any issues with it not cleaning up... in fact it's almost too clean. The PB has so many differnt uses but I think a lot of people missed what they are good at as well as Crate not advertising them the right way.


              Hi,

              They are certainly versatile. I give them that. I just couldn't get a good fat clean out of them. In order to get enough volume I had to kick up the gain on it---henceforth, dirtying up the tone a little too much for use with a modeller.

              Cheers,
              BP
              FS/T-- (all prices PP Gift and Shipped)
              Guitars


              Strymon Brigadier Delay in box--$250
              Lee Jackson Crate Stealth 100--$325
              Marshall Artist 3203 Head--$500
              EQD Monarch OD Distortion Pedal---$110
              EQD White Light OD Pedal---$100
              EQD Hoof Fuzz 4 knob--$110



              BOOKS
              http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...%20Peckinpaugh

              MUSIC
              [URL="http://www.reverbnation.com/DandelionSky[/URL]

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              • #8
                I really like the idea of running the TSLE into a power amp and then into a 2x12 cab. I love the tones I get when I go straigt into the headphones...other than blues distortion/edge which I'm sure I could get running into t 2x12 cab. So the question is...how much power? Wattage that is?

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                • #9
                  I run my Tonelab into the FX return of my Peavey Prowler tube amp which is kind of a lower gain version of the Valve King. It's not CRAZY loud, but it's PLENTY loud enough to piss off any neighbors that are sleeping at the time.

                  They were never known for their sonorous tone, but I had several Peavey solid state amps back in the 80s and early 90s. A Special 150, a Bandit, a Renown. They were all very loud amps and pretty clean, but that Renown was pretty crazy. I bought it used and when I was in Jazz band in 9th and 10th grade, just that one amp could keep up with the entire PA system the school had... and it was a nice PA system. I only used it once like that because the director preferred the more congealed sound of just plugging into the board, but it was really amazing.

                  A friend of mine that played the bass used to have a Peavey keyboard amp that had a 15" speaker and a fairly small horn so it wasn't crazy honky. I think it was at least 150 watts, but I want to say it was 200 watts. And it had about a 7 band EQ.

                  For the money, those older Peavey solid state amps are cheap and put out lots of very clean sound. I think they'd be great with a modeler.
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                  • #10
                    I'll be lurking on Ebay for a Peavey just to see what they go for!

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                    • #11
                      I really like the idea of running the TSLE into a power amp and then into a 2x12 cab. I love the tones I get when I go straigt into the headphones...other than blues distortion/edge which I'm sure I could get running into t 2x12 cab. So the question is...how much power? Wattage that is?


                      Hi,

                      I wouldn't do anything under 100 watts mono (4ohm) or 75 watts stereo (8ohm). I have an ART 100 watt power amp and it is just barely enough power to keep up with a pounding drummer when I run it 50 watts per side stereo. I know that running it at max volume to keep up at gigging/jamming volume for several hours would likely lead to some overheating issues. 100 watts bridged mono and it is fine though. The Rocktron I have is 150 watts and I can run 75 watts per side stereo (8 ohm) and it is fine. And I prefer to run the TLSE stereo.... sound Fantabulous!!

                      BP
                      FS/T-- (all prices PP Gift and Shipped)
                      Guitars


                      Strymon Brigadier Delay in box--$250
                      Lee Jackson Crate Stealth 100--$325
                      Marshall Artist 3203 Head--$500
                      EQD Monarch OD Distortion Pedal---$110
                      EQD White Light OD Pedal---$100
                      EQD Hoof Fuzz 4 knob--$110



                      BOOKS
                      http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...%20Peckinpaugh

                      MUSIC
                      [URL="http://www.reverbnation.com/DandelionSky[/URL]

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                      • #12


                        For the money, those older Peavey solid state amps are cheap and put out lots of very clean sound. I think they'd be great with a modeler.



                        I agree. Those older Peaveys are worth a look-see. A keyboard amp is not a bad idea. Somewhere I saw someone mentioning using one... and he was pleased... keyboards have a greater frequency range than guitar so they would definitely be able to handle anything a guitar threw at them and then some.
                        FS/T-- (all prices PP Gift and Shipped)
                        Guitars


                        Strymon Brigadier Delay in box--$250
                        Lee Jackson Crate Stealth 100--$325
                        Marshall Artist 3203 Head--$500
                        EQD Monarch OD Distortion Pedal---$110
                        EQD White Light OD Pedal---$100
                        EQD Hoof Fuzz 4 knob--$110



                        BOOKS
                        http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...%20Peckinpaugh

                        MUSIC
                        [URL="http://www.reverbnation.com/DandelionSky[/URL]

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                        • #13
                          MosValve 962


                          exactly what i use.

                          i use that between my pod xt and crate 4X12 enclosure.

                          I'm content with it. i haven't had any real motivation to get a tube head after previously owning one a few years back.

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                          • #14
                            this is actually an objective question with real definitive answer. in the sense that it is what modellers were made to be paired with, the best thing to use with a modeller would be a PA.

                            don't run it through guitar cab. run it through a PA power amp and a PA speaker. or as i suggested, get a bi-amped powered PA speaker. they are objectively the state-of-art in pro audio.

                            i wrote about it here

                            i know we have many subjective debates on tone here, but this is really a technically provable answer.

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                            • #15
                              exactly what i use.

                              i use that between my pod xt and crate 4X12 enclosure.

                              I'm content with it. i haven't had any real motivation to get a tube head after previously owning one a few years back.



                              I also have a Peavey Classic 60/60 but I think the MosValve works much better with any digital efx

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