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  • Is the Neck Pup on a 51 Alnico?

    I love the sound, clean and distorted. Anyone know?

  • #2
    You know I pulled that pick-up then put put it back in. I had a Seymour Duncan Tele pup, a Alnico II Pro in. But the out of phase Tone was weak sounding. With the 51 its not bad, definatly usable.

    To answer your question? I really didn't take a good look at it, but I believe so. I don't remember the Ceramic bars.
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    • #3
      I swear .... me and my buddy both bought one for $99 and we must have gotten some bad ones or something. They were by far the worst sounding guitars either of us have ever owned. I am still amazed by the praise people give the stock pickups. All we could get was totally shrill, toneless, grating, annoying sounds out of them. We both replaced the pickups with some GFS pups and they helped. But, less than a year later we got rid of the guitars totally.
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      • #4
        I don't like the humbucker much, which is the stock pup on it that get's the most praise. : shrugs : I don't get it.

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        • #5
          I think it's ceramic. I never took either of mine apart, but they sounded more like ceramic single coils I've had in the past. Ceramic isn't bad though... just different. I think the reason most folks prefer the sound of AlNiCo single coil pickups is because most single coil pickups that are well wound and properly balanced use AlNiCo magnets. If a high end company tried to make a great sounding ceramic single coil, I'm sure they would do just fine.

          I quite liked the single coil of my '51s. Lots of versatility in the '51 in general, but my favorite sounds were the single coil, and both pickups on with the bridge split.
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          • #6
            Definitely ceramic. Both of them are.
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            • #7
              I've read in several places that the HB was alnico. It sounds too mellow to be a ceramic. But, I'm not 100% sure.

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              • #8
                I've read in several places that the HB was alnico. It sounds too mellow to be a ceramic. But, I'm not 100% sure.
                Are we talking about a Squier '51? If so they're both ceramic.
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                • #9
                  How can you tell if a pickup is ceramic or alnico? Do ceramic single coils always have the magnetic bars along the bottom? How can you tell with a HB?

                  Ceramics are often associated with a brighter, edgier sound, but I have a set of ceramics in a strat (at least they have the magnetic bars) that sound thicker and warmer than the GFS premium overwound alnicos I have in my other strat.
                  Two types of people you don't want to argue with.... geniuses and fools. .....it helps if you can tell the difference.

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                  • #10
                    Which ceramics are these?

                    I need some new strat pups.

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                    • #11
                      I wouldn't say that ceramics are always brighter... I'd say they are smoother with less spank than AlNiCos, at least as far as most single coils go.

                      I've always preferred ceramics to use with higher gain. Ceramic HBs seem to be able to get more into that sailing/soaring type of sound easily while a lot of AlNiCo pickups seem like the amp is just turned up to far. Of course, I've never owned a 16k+ AlNiCo HB to the best of my knowledge.
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                      "When it comes to gear vs talent I'll be the first to admit that I sit in the Mayor's seat in Poserville."

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                      • #12
                        Which ceramics are these?

                        I need some new strat pups.


                        I have a magic AlNiCo , perfect for the classic vintage sound, but are BARs.
                        I copy the best Gibson PAF mag I've ever heard and I assure you , my PuPs sounds pretty well ..

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                        • #13
                          Which ceramics are these?

                          I need some new strat pups.


                          You mean the stock pickups in the Squier '51?

                          They are just cheap, non-over-wound ceramic pickups.

                          Lots of folks give ceramic pickups, esp ceramic single coils a lot of grief, but they can sound pretty outstanding. I LOVE LOVE LOVE my 83 MIJ Strat, but the stock AlNiCos in it sound pretty crappy compared to the ceramic pickups in my red 89 E-series Squier strat.

                          I think the key to depth in a ceramic single coil is for it to NOT be over-wound. Nothing wrong with over-wound AlNiCos, but over-wound or hot wound ceramics always seem to end up sounding like thin ceramic HBs rather than single coils.
                          Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius:

                          "When it comes to gear vs talent I'll be the first to admit that I sit in the Mayor's seat in Poserville."

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                          • #14
                            I have a magic AlNiCo , perfect for the classic vintage sound, but are BARs.
                            I copy the best Gibson PAF mag I've ever heard and I assure you , my PuPs sounds pretty well ..



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                            • #15
                              Are we talking about a Squier '51? If so they're both ceramic.
                              Doc:

                              Not to be disagreeable, but I am almost positive that the humbucker is an Alnico II bar magnet. I'm not sure about the neck pickup, however.

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