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  • GFS Dream 90 vs Mean 90 - What's the difference in sound?

    Hi y'all,

    I am planning on retrofitting an LTD EC-50 with either GFS Dream 90s or Mean 90s and I want to make sure I get the best one for what I play - the price difference is minimal.

    Main question:

    So what is the sonic difference between the two?

    Other questions:

    Which one would sound closer to my Gibson ES-330 or Epiphone Casino P90s?

    Which one is better to play clean (just a little 'verb) through a Twin Reverb amp simulator?

    I just picked up an every Sunday gig, outdoors by the salt water, and I plan on using the "cheap" LTD on that gig and at one troublesome stage that buzzed my Casino (GFS tells me one of the 90 pickups is reverse wound so when both pickups are on it acts like a humbucker).

    Thanks.
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  • #2
    One sounds fairly P90-ish, one only has very slight hints of it.
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    - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
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    • #3
      Mean 90 is the most like a P90

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      • #4
        The Dream 90 sounds a lot more complex (and better, in my opinion), but it's not exactly a P90. More high end and depth than the Mean, less heavily mid-focused. The Mean 90 sounds pretty much like a typical P90, if a little hot for my tastes.
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        • #5
          The Dream 90 sounds a lot more complex (and better, in my opinion), but it's not exactly a P90. More high end and depth than the Mean, less heavily mid-focused. The Mean 90 sounds pretty much like a typical P90, if a little hot for my tastes.

          I have Dream 90s mainly because the Mean wasn't out yet when I got them. I much prefer the greater body and punch of the Means.
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          -For Sale: <br />
          -set of GFS Dream 90s- gold and black pearl- $40 shipped in the cont. US<br />
          -(2) Celestion G12M-70 16 ohm guitar speakers in good condition $40 ea. + shipping.<br />
          - Vox VT15 Valvetronix very clean - $85 + shipping<br />
          - Hughes Kettner Edition Tube 20 (the early Voxy sounding one) Sounds &amp; looks good. $250 + shipping. <b>SOLD</b><br />
          - Crate Palomino V8 - 10&quot; Celestion - Very clean - on Ebay (sold)</div>

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          • #6
            One is dreamy and the other is a meanie.
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            • #7
              A good while back, I compared an SG with Mean 90s in it to a LP DC Special with a pair of P-90s. The SG w/Mean 90s had a little less top end and a little more bottom end than the LP DC Special. I think a change from the stock 300K pots in the SG to a set of 500K pots would put the Mean 90s neck and neck with the P-90s in the LP DC Special, not that it wasn't pretty damn close before.... The Mean 90s are pretty sweet, IMO.
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              • #8
                I also experienced similar tone with my GFS Mean 90's. After my honeymoon with the pickups wore off I started to note that they had less bite and more bass than I wanted in a mahogany guitar as well. I already had 500k pots in, but just the other day I put in a new 500k tone pot with a .033 Orange Drop cap. The .033 cap helped brighten the tone and get them sounding like what you'd expect them to.

                So to the OP, I would go for Mean 90's if you don't want to get some more expensive ones elsewhere. But, I would use 500k pots and a .033 or .022 tone cap with them in a LP style guitar. Yeah, with two Mean 90's the middle position is noise canceling, and it sounds pretty good in the middle too.

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                • #9
                  I also experienced similar tone with my GFS Mean 90's. After my honeymoon with the pickups wore off I started to note that they had less bite and more bass than I wanted in a mahogany guitar as well. I already had 500k pots in, but just the other day I put in a new 500k tone pot with a .033 Orange Drop cap. The .033 cap helped brighten the tone and get them sounding like what you'd expect them to.

                  So to the OP, I would go for Mean 90's if you don't want to get some more expensive ones elsewhere. But, I would use 500k pots and a .033 or .022 tone cap with them in a LP style guitar. Yeah, with two Mean 90's the middle position is noise canceling, and it sounds pretty good in the middle too.


                  i've got a Mean 90 in the neck of my telecaster. its attached to the 250k volume pot, but not the 250k tone pot. need those values for the bridge pup, but obviously it makes the neck bassy. not having the tone hooked up does make a difference.
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                  • #10
                    OK I put the Mean 90s on and I'm happy with them.

                    I just posted another thread about it, along with a review:

                    I titled the thread:

                    My very first guitar mod - with GFS Mean 90s and a review.

                    And I'll try a link to the thread here (don't know if that will work, I've never tried this before on this forum).

                    My very first guitar mod - with GFS Mean 90s and a review.

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                    Owner, Norton Music http://www.nortonmusic.com
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                    • #11
                      Hey, I just read your review. I'm glad your mods are working out for you!
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                      Amps: Fender HRD 4x10<br />
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                      Pedals: Dunlop Crybaby 535; Voodoo Labs UniVibe and Sparkle Drive; Marshall Edward the Compressor, Guv'nor, Jackhammer, and Vibratrem.<br />
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                      • #12
                        I have a Mean 90 in a single pickup full hollow import, and I am very satisfied!
                        I was looking for an ES-125 vibe, and got it.
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                        • #13
                          Had a bridge Mean 90 in an Epi LP and can report a very P90 sound.

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                          • #14
                            Means = decent mid-range punch

                            Dreams = scooped
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                            • #15
                              I just mounted the GFS Mean 90s on the neck of my project Tele and I l can't believe how good it sounds (I have a Bill Lawrence Roy Buchanan on the bridge and that's a mean p/u) I can't believe I spent $160 for Lindi Fralin's.....the mean 90s are the way to go. Great product. I would get better leads on it but that's about it. I just mounted them on my telecaster and to keep a brilliant sound I wired the 0.47 cap from the middle connection on the tone cap to the volume cap and it makes a big difference. The Pots are 250k (as recommended by Jay at GFS).
                              This is my 3rd tele, the other one is a 62 reissue with SD VIntage (dull sound on the neck) and brass saddles set up by John Carruthers and the other is a japanese copy with Gibson pat # pups. This one with the mean 90s and Bill Lawrence simply kicks ass!!!!

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