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P90 vs. Single Coil


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Does anyone have any clips or videos comparing the tones you can get from them? I've never had the oppurtunity to use a guitar with P90s. I know they're technically Single Coils, but you can't really get the 'single coil tone' with P90s, right?

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You get the same note-to-note definition and clarity, plus the same snap, you would get out of a Fender-style single coil, because there is no other coil to mix it with and muddy it up. And, vintage spec'ed, they can sound plenty bright and clean. They really are single coil in nature, just with a lot of mids that give it an overall fat tone.

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The Who's Live At Leeds is probably one of the best examples of what they can do.

On the other hand, they sound almost like a piano when clean through a good amp.

P90s work exceptionally well with Vox amps. Listen to John Lennon and George Harrison playing Casinos through AC30s. Yowza. That's probably some of my favorite P90 sounds right there.

 

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The guitar sounds from WHO - Live at Leeds are considered a pretty good representation of the P-90 tone... This is a weird vid, but you get some idea of the tone of Pete's SG with P-90's.

 

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Here's just a recording of "I'm Free" from the same show. Great guitar sounds!

 

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I Can't Explain from Live at Leeds... sound only.

 

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Well, I just got my first P90 guitar and it's got it! I'll do a NGD when I get some pics, but I let the cat out of the bag in the stack thread....


FWIW another classic P90 tone comes from Martin Barre of Jethro Tull
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I'm thinking of getting one of the GFS jazzmaster copies, or a MIM Jazzmaster. :love:

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I'm thinking of getting one of the GFS jazzmaster copies, or a MIM Jazzmaster.
:love:

 

Well, the Fender Jazzmaster pickups are NOT P-90's, made different and sound different. Instead of the big double bar magnets the P-90 has, the Jazzmaster PU uses magnetic pole pieces, like a Strat or Tele single coil and uses a different wire gauge. As a result the Jazzmaster PU is much closer to Strat in tone, think surf music.

 

Don't know what the GFS will use, i think Jay said real JM-style PU's would be another 6 months away.

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Well, the Fender Jazzmaster pickups are NOT P-90's, made different and sound different. Instead of the big double bar magnets the P-90 has, the Jazzmaster PU uses magnetic pole pieces, like a Strat or Tele single coil and uses a different wire gauge. As a result the Jazzmaster PU is much closer to Strat in tone, think surf music.


Don't know what the GFS will use, i think Jay said real JM-style PU's would be another 6 months away.

 

:oh...

 

 

Thanks :thu:

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p90s are just way fatter. you won't get that tinny little sound out of them. it's practically night and day.

 

I'd actually say if this is a line between the sound of a single coil and humbucker

 

SC -------------------------------- HB

 

 

I'd put the p90 sound about here:

 

 

SC -------------------p90---------- HB

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Thanks
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In the '50's and '60's, every builder respected each others proprietary designs. Fender never copied Gibson's pickup designs,... nor did Valco (Supro/Airline), DeArmond, Gretsch, Danelectro, even Teisco.

 

All of these companies had PU's that were proprietary in size (you couldn't easily swap from one to another). And all sounded very different.

 

In the '70's, the aftermarket builders like Seymour Duncan and DiMarzio's pretty much standardized the Gibson humbucker and Strat single coil and the landscape changed fast (partly because of the introduction of clones in the '70's). This gentrified the PU market, all those unique PU's and unique tones died off. A few exceptions are Jazzmaster, Tele, P-90 and (later revived) Dano lipstick PU's

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Mustn't forget about Greg Sage & The Wipers. Here's "Doom Town" from their 1983 album "Over the Edge" (with a pair of P90's on the cover).

 

Sage played a black SG Special with twin P90's for his entire career. The amp used on this album was allegedly an Ampeg Gemini I G-12.

 

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p90s are just way fatter. you won't get that tinny little sound out of them. it's practically night and day.


I'd actually say if this is a line between the sound of a single coil and humbucker


SC -------------------------------- HB



I'd put the p90 sound about here:



SC -------------------p90---------- HB

 

 

Yes - I'd agree with that. They are almost more in the HB ball park in many ways. Let's put it this way, you can get a Les Paul Special or LP Junior to do a good impression of a Les Paul Standard, but that would never really happen with a Fender single coil... and I think it's mostly down to the nature of the pickups.

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you can get a Les Paul Special or LP Junior to do a good impression of a Les Paul Standard, but that would never really happen with a Fender single coil... and I think it's mostly down to the nature of the pickups.

 

 

But can you get the LP Standard to sound like it's P90'd cousin?

 

Hmmm, if you want a neck P90 sound you can pick up a Strat

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But can you get the LP Standard to sound like it's P90'd cousin?


 

 

a very good point.

 

Its usually easier to take a bright sound and fatten it up, than to take a dark sound and brighten it up.

Obviously, with standard passive guitar tone controls this is the case, but even so in the recording world.

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But can you get the LP Standard to sound like it's P90'd cousin?


Hmmm, if you want a neck P90 sound you can pick up a Strat

 

 

I know Dave Gilmour supposedly did his Brick in the Wall solo on a strat neck pup live sometimes, but on a P90 in the studio... but I still don't think they generally sound much alike. And certainly, you can't get that deep, gruff and yet biting bridge pickup sound on a normal strat in the same way.

 

Here are a couple of vids trying to illustrate my point about the bridge P90... with the best guitar Gibson makes (i reckon) or has ever made:

 

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You can with the correct pickup, things like steel poles, 1/4lbers etc

 

 

Well, I put one of the supposedly best and most expensive P90 style telecaster pickups in a cv telecaster (Harmonic Design) bridge position, and it didn't sound anything like a real P90 in a Les Paul Junior or Special. Maybe the strat bridge construction might bring it a bit closer... but somehow I doubt it.

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Well, I put one of the supposedly best and most expensive P90 style telecaster pickups in a cv telecaster (Harmonic Design) bridge position, and it didn't sound anything like a real P90 in a Les Paul Junior or Special. Maybe the strat bridge construction might bring it a bit closer... but somehow I doubt it.

 

 

The steel pole PU's are nice PU's but they are more like Fender/P-90 hybrids in tone. None really cop to the P-90 tone.

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