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  • #16
    Built an all-Warmoth Tele, and was happy with that. Then, bought a LP double-cutaway body, and a Warmoth neck, and put other hardware in it. I couldn't be happier. I do 90 percent of my recording with the latter guitar,and the rest with the Tele.

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    • #17
      One thing that should be mentioned here.......by the time you buy a body and neck, and then all the hardware and electronics.....you'll most likely have as much invested already as if you'd bought a true custom made instrument. And that won't include any of your time and labor. So if it's a custom instrument that you're after and you're not "hell-bent" on finishing and assembling it yourself, it's probably to your benefit just to buy a custom instrument from a good custom builder. I normally wind up with at least 60 or 70 hours in one of my complete custom builds and that's not including setup time. A good setup job alone will require 6-8 hours or more. I have a couple of my customs posted here this week......both are telecaster versions. Check them out if you're interested.
      http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2590475
      http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2590464


      I disagree. I've built two Warmoths and ended up with Custom Shop level instruments for about the price of a standard MIA Fender...and that was with Warmoth doing the finish.
      Some original songs...

      And some cover tunes...

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      • #18
        Wish they made a wheel truss rod or one at the headstock.

        The pro doesn't count cause that side thing is for small adjustments and it gets in the way of a fender contoured heel.


        They do make one that adjusts at the headstock - "Vintage Modern"

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        • #19
          I disagree. I've built two Warmoths and ended up with Custom Shop level instruments for about the price of a standard MIA Fender...and that was with Warmoth doing the finish.


          I'd have to see your math on that. A finished body from Warmoth is generally between 400 - 500, but realistically in the 500 range. A finished neck is a minimum of 300. That's 800 right there without any hardware or electronics and you can expect to invest another 300 minimum easily for that. Now you're at 1100. But without a case. Add another 100 for a decent quality case and you're at 1200. That's just monetary investment. Still doesn't account for any of your time or labor. My solid and semi-hollow customs generally sell for 1200-1500 completely setup to buyer preference with a HS case and a lifetime warranty. Mark Swanson of Swanson guitars has similar pricing structure. Not all custom makers charge 6K for a build.
          Never chase busses or women...you always get left behind."

          Please Visit - Pebblebrook Custom Guitars: http://www.pebblebrookcustomguitars.com/index.html

          Good Deals with:

          Dixie 10-8, Teleman, squeally dan, Cry Of Love, funbnme

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          • #20
            I'd have to see your math on that. A finished body from Warmoth is generally between 400 - 500, but realistically in the 500 range. A finished neck is a minimum of 300. That's 800 right there without any hardware or electronics and you can expect to invest another 300 minimum easily for that. Now you're at 1100. But without a case. Add another 100 for a decent quality case and you're at 1200. That's just monetary investment. Still doesn't account for any of your time or labor. My solid and semi-hollow customs generally sell for 1200-1500 completely setup to buyer preference with a HS case and a lifetime warranty. Mark Swanson of Swanson guitars has similar pricing structure. Not all custom makers charge 6K for a build.


            I got my bodies and necks from the Showcase section. Had to be patient, but I ended up finding exactly what I wanted.

            Finished body: $400
            Unfinished neck: $200
            By the time I bought all the hardware and electronics, I had $1100 in it, plus another $100 for the case. Took me a couple of hours to put it together, wire it up, and get it set up.



            Finished body: $275
            Unfinished neck: $175
            Total cost after all hardware and electronics was under $1k. Right around $1k including case.




            Both guitars whip the crap out of any off the shelf $1000 range guitar I've ever played.
            Some original songs...

            And some cover tunes...

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            • #21
              The Tele I put together was only $650. I wouldn't factor in the hours of time/labor since it was for myself.

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              • #22
                Prages...they're nice looking guitars but you just verified what I said to begin with. You have as much in yours as you would've have spent buying a custom built from myself or plenty of other custom builders out there that build very nice guitars in that price range. Plus, they include a warranty. And I don't doubt for a minute that your guitars will out perform an off the shelf of the same range. One thing you didn't mention or allow for in time was the amount of time and cost involved in finishing both of your unfinished necks.
                Never chase busses or women...you always get left behind."

                Please Visit - Pebblebrook Custom Guitars: http://www.pebblebrookcustomguitars.com/index.html

                Good Deals with:

                Dixie 10-8, Teleman, squeally dan, Cry Of Love, funbnme

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                • #23
                  Prages...they're nice looking guitars but you just verified what I said to begin with. You have as much in yours as you would've have spent buying a custom built from myself or plenty of other custom builders out there that build very nice guitars in that price range. Plus, they include a warranty. And I don't doubt for a minute that your guitars will out perform an off the shelf of the same range. One thing you didn't mention or allow for in time was the amount of time and cost involved in finishing both of your unfinished necks.


                  I left both necks unfinished, not to save money, but because I like the feel of the unfinished necks.

                  Warmoth parts come with a 1 year warranty.

                  I'd rather build a 'custom' guitar myself than to pay someone else to do it for me. At least when all is said and done, I know that the guitar will be built as well as I can possibly build it. You can't really say that for all custom makers.

                  Plus, like I said, I probably don't have more than about 6 hours of labor into each guitar. I figure it's kind of a moot point to talk about how much my time is worth in this case, because I actually enjoy fiddling with stuff and would be doing it anyway.
                  Some original songs...

                  And some cover tunes...

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                  • #24
                    That's why I made the comment that I made earlier. If it's the learning experience that you're after or you just enjoy putting one together yourself, then maybe it's OK. But if the end result you're after is a true custom guitar, then you should consult a reputable builder. Because, I'm sorry to say, but it's just a fact......at the end of the day, a Warmoth guitar is still just a partscaster. And when or if it's time to resell or trade, it will be perceived and valued that way. That's just the way it is. And their 1 year warranty is really the moot point because that's actually just about the amount of time a guitar needs to play and wear itself in good. So you're warranty is gone right when the instrument is coming into it's own. Also, another point worth mentioning, with Warmoth or any other parts suppliers, you're limited to the options they offer and what they have available at any given time. With a custom builder, most of the time, you're options will be virtually unlimited. Quality of materials is another concern. Warmoth as well as others have some quite decent products but they buy in bulk and they pull of the top as they get to it. Custom builders, specifically myself, buy in smaller quantities and handpick and choose the woods they work with. Not only for looks and beauty but for correct and optimum grain structure. There are countless other points that could be brought up but bottom line is this......if you want the experience of building it yourself and can live with the end results, then Warmoth may be the perfect solution for you. Believe me, I fully understand that....I love what I do. But...if it's a true custom instrument you're after, then a Warmoth parts guitar is the furthest thing from it. Because, like I said earlier, in the end, you haven't built a custom.....you've just assembled some prefab parts to make a parts guitar.
                    Never chase busses or women...you always get left behind."

                    Please Visit - Pebblebrook Custom Guitars: http://www.pebblebrookcustomguitars.com/index.html

                    Good Deals with:

                    Dixie 10-8, Teleman, squeally dan, Cry Of Love, funbnme

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                    • #25
                      Because, I'm sorry to say, but it's just a fact......at the end of the day, a Warmoth guitar is still just a partscaster. And when or if it's time to resell or trade, it will be perceived and valued that way.


                      And at the end of the day, an emcrae custom guitar is still just a custom guitar from a maker that nobody's ever heard of and it will be perceived and valued that way.

                      It doesn't matter if you make the best guitar on the planet. If the name of the guitar isn't something that people recognize, they aren't gonna pay a lot of money for one on the used market.
                      Some original songs...

                      And some cover tunes...

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                      • #26
                        And at the end of the day, an emcrae custom guitar is still just a custom guitar from a maker that nobody's ever heard of and it will be perceived and valued that way.

                        It doesn't matter if you make the best guitar on the planet. If the name of the guitar isn't something that people recognize, they aren't gonna pay a lot of money for one on the used market.


                        I agree.


                        No offense emcrae,but truthfully when it comes down to brass tacks on resale and the like, what's the difference between a Warmoth partscaster and a build from a guy no one outside of a couple forums has heard of? The value of any lifetime warranty at that point is questionable as well.
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                        • #27
                          But...if it's a true custom instrument you're after, then a Warmoth parts guitar is the furthest thing from it. Because, like I said earlier, in the end, you haven't built a custom.....you've just assembled some prefab parts to make a parts guitar.


                          I strongly disagree with this. Custom shop necks are CNC'd and finished by hand, so was my warmoth neck and body.

                          I think there are two separate factors here, the quality of the instrument and the perceived value of an instrument, and they are apples and oranges. Is my 'partscaster' on par with the quality of a custom shop strat? I'm not ashamed to admit that it absolutely is. On par with a Suhr? probably. This of course is just my opinion. My point is that it is absolutely possible to get the same level of quality out of Warmoth or USA Custom as you would from the custom shop. Probably not with the first guitar you build, but is is possible. And in my opinion, the only difference between my guitar and a Suhr, is that nobody knows my name.

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                          • #28
                            That's why I made the comment that I made earlier. If it's the learning experience that you're after or you just enjoy putting one together yourself, then maybe it's OK. But if the end result you're after is a true custom guitar, then you should consult a reputable builder. Because, I'm sorry to say, but it's just a fact......at the end of the day, a Warmoth guitar is still just a partscaster. And when or if it's time to resell or trade, it will be perceived and valued that way. That's just the way it is. And their 1 year warranty is really the moot point because that's actually just about the amount of time a guitar needs to play and wear itself in good. So you're warranty is gone right when the instrument is coming into it's own. Also, another point worth mentioning, with Warmoth or any other parts suppliers, you're limited to the options they offer and what they have available at any given time. With a custom builder, most of the time, you're options will be virtually unlimited. Quality of materials is another concern. Warmoth as well as others have some quite decent products but they buy in bulk and they pull of the top as they get to it. Custom builders, specifically myself, buy in smaller quantities and handpick and choose the woods they work with. Not only for looks and beauty but for correct and optimum grain structure. There are countless other points that could be brought up but bottom line is this......if you want the experience of building it yourself and can live with the end results, then Warmoth may be the perfect solution for you. Believe me, I fully understand that....I love what I do. But...if it's a true custom instrument you're after, then a Warmoth parts guitar is the furthest thing from it. Because, like I said earlier, in the end, you haven't built a custom.....you've just assembled some prefab parts to make a parts guitar.



                            Jeez. That's ridiculous.

                            I'm not trying to be rude, but why is your custom guitar going to be worth more than my custom guitar (that I built with wood from Warmoth)? I and most everyone else has never heard of you. Your model and my model are on an even playing field, I'd imagine.

                            At least with my model, I hand picked each and every part and was involved in every step of the manufacturing process...

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                            • #29
                              Jeez. That's ridiculous.

                              I'm not trying to be rude, but why is your custom guitar going to be worth more than my custom guitar (that I built with wood from Warmoth)? I and most everyone else has never heard of you. Your model and my model are on an even playing field, I'd imagine.

                              At least with my model, I hand picked each and every part and was involved in every step of the manufacturing process...


                              I'm not trying to offend anyone in any way. I'm just stating simple facts. Furthermore, you didn't "build" your guitar with wood from Warmoth......you assembled it with parts prebuilt from Warmoth. And unless you physically went to the Warmoth facility, you didn't hand pick anything and you certainly weren't involved in the manufacturing process. Also, my statements here were not meant to be directed at me or my business. So you don't know me or have never heard of me. That's fine. Plenty have. But you haven't. BUT...I'm sure their are some quality reputable builders that you have heard of that are selling customs in the same price range. And those instruments will hold far greater resale value to those who have also heard of those builders. And will most likely be of far better quality. If you doubt what I'm saying about the values of part-guitars, visit the "for sale" forum here and see for yourself what they bring. Very sad but it's a far cry less than what they cost or what they're probably worth in all reality. At any rate, it's certainly not worth getting into a cyber-argument over. The biggest difference is this....had you rather have a truly handmade custom built for you to your every spec and need or had you rather have a guitar that you assembled with manufactured parts from an outside source. Not saying either is correct. Only you can decide what's correct for YOU. My involvement in this discussion was simply to point out that for what you spend on a parts-guitar, most of the time, a true custom build can be had. And in that case, it will most likely be suited and built more to your needs than a parts assembled guitar.
                              Never chase busses or women...you always get left behind."

                              Please Visit - Pebblebrook Custom Guitars: http://www.pebblebrookcustomguitars.com/index.html

                              Good Deals with:

                              Dixie 10-8, Teleman, squeally dan, Cry Of Love, funbnme

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                              • #30
                                I agree that you've presented a good argument for custom builders and at the same time provided another aspect to the conversation by bringing your guitars into the discussion. I'm not picking on you; your situation really illustrates the uphill battle a custom builder has before establishing a name and rep:

                                Just think about if I see one of your guitars on Ebay by a customer, used.

                                I google your company name and what do I find? Not much of anything 'cept a couple threads on forums...no website, no business address, no DBA info or business history/presence. Warranty? If you get hit by a bus tomorrow, who's going to honor your lifetime warranty? How do I know you're not going to hang this up to start a landscaping business next month? Are you a legit registered business doing this full time or some dude part time in your basement? I have no way to answer any of these questions independently so the value of your instrument is immediately undermined because it's a series of unknown elements.....just like the partscaster.

                                Now, your guitars could be excellent and I have no doubt they are..you just get short changed by being somewhat obscure.
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