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  • Gibson Les Paul Standard vs. Custom : How different??

    **This is not a Gibson bashing thread.

    After a trip to guitar stores last week where I tried a couple of Gibsons, I have come to like the Les Paul Traditional, which they say have replaced the LP Standard product line (But aren't they the same thing at same price? ) And with a couple of comparison with other brand names, I realised the Real LP's not such a huge leap of $$$ from the mid-price guitars I usually buy. Therefore I might save up to buy one in the future.

    Then I looked up the catalog and saw LP Customs priced 50% higher. Definitely out of my purchasing power, but I'm curious. Okay they are hand-built, but are they worth it? Better hardware? Even higher-grade wood?

    The difference in method and extent of weight-relief? Any significant effect on tone?

    Give me your take on this. Thanks!
    Gear;
    - Blackstar HT-5 stack
    - 10/2010 ESP Eclipse 1 CTM FT w/ BKP Rebel Yells
    - 09/2010 Sterling MM JP-50 w/ BKP Nailbombs
    - 08/2010 ESP M-II w/ Dimarzio Air Norton & D-Sonic
    - 08/2009 Jackson RR3 w/ WCR IceBuckers pups
    - 11/2007 Schecter C1 Hellraiser
    - Korg AX3000G
    - Pod X3

  • #2
    A few months ago I was fortunate enough to buy pretty much whatever guitar I wanted..I tried lots of different models from Suhr, Tom Anderson, Fender Custom Shop, ESP, as well as a load of Gibson LP Studios, Standards, Traditionals and Customs. I also tried Ephiphone, ESP LTD, Washburn and a few others to make sure I wasn't missing a bargain somewhere.

    After loads of playing, I walked out with a Gibson Les Paul Standard 2009 (Goldtop), not the cheapest, not the most expensive, just the best sounding and feeling to me. The biggest difference in feel with the Custom for me, was the ebony fingerboard on the Custom..which was great, the Customs were also heavier and sounded good..though the Standard I picked just seemed to have more sustain (unplugged and plugged) and sparkle..I just didn't bond with any of the Customs I tried.

    Others I'm sure will tell you more about the differences. FWIW, every single Gibson I tried was a good guitar. No QC issues whatsoever..and I must have played 20.
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    • #3
      Now, aside from the ebony board, it's bling: gold hardware, extra inlays and extra binding. The Standard's fret markers are MOTS, the Custom's is real MOP.
      Back in the day (and in the Historic lineup) the Custom was all mahogany, without the maple cap of the Standard.
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      • #4
        Thanks for your input and glad to see you're from England. I'm going to study there (Cardiff duh) this September Definitely wanna look at the huge selections at guitar stores there! Might also buy something courtesy of weak Pound Sterling :P

        Personally I'm not impressed with LP Studios or Explorers or the V. but I love the more expensive LPs.

        Does your Goldtop have the Classic pups on it? or Burstbuckers? How do you like its tone?
        Gear;
        - Blackstar HT-5 stack
        - 10/2010 ESP Eclipse 1 CTM FT w/ BKP Rebel Yells
        - 09/2010 Sterling MM JP-50 w/ BKP Nailbombs
        - 08/2010 ESP M-II w/ Dimarzio Air Norton & D-Sonic
        - 08/2009 Jackson RR3 w/ WCR IceBuckers pups
        - 11/2007 Schecter C1 Hellraiser
        - Korg AX3000G
        - Pod X3

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        • #5
          Well, to start, the Traditional uses the old swiss cheese weight relieved compared to the new Standards chambering. There are a few other little tweaks, but in essence, the Traditional is made like the LP Standard was before 2008.

          As for the Custom. More ornate cosmetics -- 5-ply binding and rear and back binding, gold hardware -- and an Ebony fretboard are about the only differences to justify the premium cost; ultimately the LPC is priced where it is because Gibson has dedicated that is the price point it will fill in the line-up (Gibson doesn't price guitars as commodities, cost of labor and materials are inconsequential to price point). The LPC has its own slightly unique thick neck carve (must major Gibson models have neck carves to evolved over years, so the LPC and LP and SG all have their own feel) and once again a few tweaks. A few years ago the LPC's were all folded into the Custom Shop, but despite the Custom Shop decal, they are all made on the same assembly line in Nashville that they have been for decades.

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          • #6
            Thanks for your input and glad to see you're from England. I'm going to study there (Cardiff duh) this September Definitely wanna look at the huge selections at guitar stores there! Might also buy something courtesy of weak Pound Sterling :P

            Personally I'm not impressed with LP Studios or Explorers or the V. but I love the more expensive LPs.

            Does your Goldtop have the Classic pups on it? or Burstbuckers? How do you like its tone?


            Cardiff is a pretty fun city

            My Goldtop has Burstbuckers..I recorded this short clip the day I got it..just a bluesy kind of thing (though that's not really my style)..I love the tone..this is just through a Pod XT..it sounds killer through a "real" amp.

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            • #7
              Face-melting tone!
              Good instrument in good hands
              Gear;
              - Blackstar HT-5 stack
              - 10/2010 ESP Eclipse 1 CTM FT w/ BKP Rebel Yells
              - 09/2010 Sterling MM JP-50 w/ BKP Nailbombs
              - 08/2010 ESP M-II w/ Dimarzio Air Norton & D-Sonic
              - 08/2009 Jackson RR3 w/ WCR IceBuckers pups
              - 11/2007 Schecter C1 Hellraiser
              - Korg AX3000G
              - Pod X3

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              • #8
                Face-melting tone!
                Good instrument in good hands


                Thanks!
                Originally Posted by Jimmy James


                You're the British SAS of Metal.









                Originally Posted by Phlat Phive


                You're a man of refined taste and strong opinions.









                Originally Posted by goodusername



                Mosiddiqi is a prick, btw.



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                http://www.box.net/shared/dnlnkn3g44
                http://www.box.net/shared/th4tv5noyi

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                • #9
                  A few years ago I heard that all Gibson guitars with Custom in the name were going to be Custom Shop guitars. As mentioned in a previous post, this was probably to position it for a higher price.

                  You mentioned the LP Studio. I have a '94 studio with an ebony fingerboard. The finish was removed from the guitar during a broken headstock repair.

                  In my opinion, this is as good as a LP Custom without any of the fancy stuff. It is a two piece body with a three piece top and no binding. If you were to "rate" the top the way PRS does, it would be a zero but this thing is all Les Paul. It's heavy, its solid and it rocks.

                  The ebony fingerboard on the Custom (and my studio) seems to make it better suited to Jazz than some of the rosewood models (subjective).
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                  • #10
                    Hi Onelife,
                    Yeah according to what Wyatt said up there about the LPCustom it makes sense. It's probably just more visual beauty and marketing ploy.
                    I accept that some LP Studios can rock as hard as Standards. Lots of good reviews about them But from the three 2010 Studios I tried last week I found that their extensive weight relief and chambering weaken the tone. Maybe they are not built the same as your '94 any more
                    Gear;
                    - Blackstar HT-5 stack
                    - 10/2010 ESP Eclipse 1 CTM FT w/ BKP Rebel Yells
                    - 09/2010 Sterling MM JP-50 w/ BKP Nailbombs
                    - 08/2010 ESP M-II w/ Dimarzio Air Norton & D-Sonic
                    - 08/2009 Jackson RR3 w/ WCR IceBuckers pups
                    - 11/2007 Schecter C1 Hellraiser
                    - Korg AX3000G
                    - Pod X3

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                    • #11
                      Customs and traditionals dont have Burstbucker Pro's. The Customs has all the bling and ebony board, different pups....is that all worth the price difference??? You decide. I have a 2004 LP Standard and its all the LP I want or need. Sold 2 before and decided this time around to just keep it and stop going round in circles selling LP's and then months later buying one back! I have some history with doin this!!! Get yourself your favoured LP and stick to it!! I dont think though that you can go wrong with any of the big 3 Gibsons LP's - the Trad, Standard and Custom. The Studios are nice enough to, but me personally I'd miss some bling.
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                      • #12
                        I would rather have an older Les Paul Custom than a new one. Different years had different features. For example, my '79 Custom has a solid, one-piece body. No weight relief. No chambering. It also has a maple neck and neck volute. The new ones are all mahogany and I THINK (not 100% sure) that some models are weight-relieved. And no more maple necks. No more volute.

                        Some people HATE the Les Pauls with maple necks and volutes. But I love 'em.

                        I prefer the Customs because of the ebony fingerboard, the neck carve and the added aesthetics. I also got my '79 for a couple hundred less than a new custom shop Custom.
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                        • #13
                          I like Standards.

                          Never liked all the bling, I hate gold hardware,am not keen on Ebony boards and the Norlin era 13 pound, 7 piece bodied boat anchors I encountered were uniformally unimpressive.

                          Now a nickel hardware double bound standard with the custom headstock inlay might be cool.

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                          • #14
                            I like Standards.

                            Never liked all the bling, I hate gold hardware,am not keen on Ebony boards and the Norlin era 13 pound, 7 piece bodied boat anchors I encountered were uniformally unimpressive.

                            Now a nickel hardware double bound standard with the custom headstock inlay might be cool.



                            See, this is what I was talking about. People who bash Norlins really have no idea what they are.

                            My Norlin Custom is a solid, one-piece body. It has nickel hardware, too. There are great Norlins out there. But if you lump them all into one boat you miss out on the years that were awesome.
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                            • #15
                              See, this is what I was talking about. People who bash Norlins really have no idea what they are.

                              My Norlin Custom is a solid, one-piece body. It has nickel hardware, too. There are great Norlins out there. But if you lump them all into one boat you miss out on the years that were awesome.


                              Nobody's saying they are all ****************. But to think that the production was as consistent during the norlin years as previous or even post..is just ridiculous. They did a lot of stupid things to the les paul and it did have an effect. The volute was the only thing they actually improved. Pancake bodies, poly, rocker neck joints,...there was a legit reason the japanese copies found so much love even from pro's like Billy Gibons and Joe Perry...they knew the USA stuff was ****************.

                              And the way mosiddiqi described buying his is the way everyone who wants a great LP should do it. Screw the label. Play a bunch...if the best happens to be a 900 dollar studio..then accept it mentally and buy it...if the best happens to be a 5k historic...well...bear down and make payments.

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