Members zinzin Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 i own the normal epi casino in natural finish like this: and it's a fine guitar. days ago i found a epi casino john lennon for 729 euro, until now i only was aware of the 3500 euro john lennon limited model, so it was nice to check out a cheaper model. fortunately they had exactly also my model, which did cost 600 euro at the time of my purchase (2005) and now sells for 475 euro. the john lennon model did sound sharper, clearer and crunchier when a/b'd with the cheaper casino model. now is it true that the john lennon model has gibson p90's? i read some contradictory opinion on the net about the pickups. the john lennon model seemed to have the finish sanded off. now i am thinking about upgrading the pickups on my casino with gibsons, although i am not shure if those alone will bring me the john lennon model sound - will i also have to sand the finish off? would that make a HUGE difference? the difference in the shop between the models was rather huge to my ears. what is your thought about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 Finish on a solid body electric = meaningless except for player comfort and preference.. Finish on an acoustic or hollow body = matters.. But, the pups are a much BIGGER difference. But umm, here is a thought.. Instead of chasing Lennon's sound, which he already did and did very well, why not find your own voice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jerry_picker Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 I seem to remember that the Lennon Revolution Casino was mostly MIJ, with final touches at Gibson USA, and that the tops on the Lennon models were 3-ply whereas the standard Epi Casinos were 5 ply. I'm not sure about the finish on the top... Lennons original was indeed sanded and refinned with a thin coat of nitro, AFAIR. I also see that there is the super-premium USA Lennon Revolution Casino (~$4300 MSRP/$3500 street), the "Inspired by" Series that is an import version of the USA Lennon (~$1650 MSRP/ $1000 street), as well as the stock import Casino (~$1040 MSRP/$600 street) . There are also some Elitist '65 Casinos out there (~$2500 MSRP/$1500 street), that are probably of similar quality to the USA model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ital_Stal Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 from what ive herd lennon hated his epiphone "this guitar is just crippling beyond belief im not playing it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BoneNut Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 Finish on a solid body electric = meaningless except for player comfort and preference..Finish on an acoustic or hollow body = matters.. But, the pups are a much BIGGER difference.But umm, here is a thought.. Instead of chasing Lennon's sound, which he already did and did very well, why not find your own voice? That's good advice and changing pups is easy, even on a semi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jerry_picker Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 That's good advice and changing pups is easy, even on a semi. FWIW, the Casino is full-hollow. Surface mounted "dogears" are a straightforward swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oldskool Texas Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 Finish on an acoustic or hollow body = matters. Finish on a laminated acoustic or hollow body = matters very little, compared to a solid-top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BoneNut Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 FWIW, the Casino is full-hollow. Surface mounted "dogears" are a straightforward swap. You sir, are 100% correct. My bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members csm Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 from what ive herd lennon hated his epiphonehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wJjxF17kWI"this guitar is just crippling beyond belief im not playing it" Took him long enough to decide that ... it was his main electric through the last five years of The Beatles and beyond ... Wasn't as if he couldn't have afforded anything else. Or that there were any guitar companies in the world who wouldn't have sent him, or built him, anything he wanted just to have him seen playing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ital_Stal Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 and did you know harrison didn't even like his gretschs but he loved his strats. something about the tone, i found that interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onelife Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 I disagree with the idea that the finish on a solid body has no effect on the sound. I have removed the finish on both a stratocaster and an ES-335 and they became different guitars. I also have a Les Paul that had the finish removed before I got it and it is my main guitar. I had played the guitar while it still had the nitro on it and it did not seem all that special. George Harrison was quoted in Guitar Player Magazine as saying "John and I scraped the varnish off our Epiphone Casinos and they became much better guitars. I think that works on a lot of guitars - if you take the paint and varnish off, and get to the bare wood, the guitar seems to sort of breathe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 I disagree with the idea that the finish on a solid body has no effect on the sound. I have removed the finish on both a stratocaster and an ES-335 and they became different guitars. yeah yeah, heard it all before.. Got before and after clips demonstrating that change? If it can't make it to a final recording, what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members murch33 Posted July 21, 2010 Members Share Posted July 21, 2010 But umm, here is a thought.. Instead of chasing Lennon's sound, which he already did and did very well, why not find your own voice?Good advice. Clarity and crunch are overrated anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onelife Posted July 22, 2010 Members Share Posted July 22, 2010 yeah yeah, heard it all before.. Got before and after clips demonstrating that change? If it can't make it to a final recording, what's the point? I'm the person playing them and I believe that they are both better sounding guitars. I'm only speaking from my own experience. Both guitars were stripped over twenty years ago. I'd be hard pressed to find recordings of them from before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BoneNut Posted July 22, 2010 Members Share Posted July 22, 2010 I'm the person playing them and I believe that they are both better sounding guitars. I'm only speaking from my own experience. Both guitars were stripped over twenty years ago. I'd be hard pressed to find recordings of them from before that. The placebo effect is strong in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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