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  • Having trouble with two guitarists.... Tips?

    Well my band has hit a few bumps....

    Everything was fine because my friend who also plays guitar in my band also is an AMAZING keyboardist since he has been playing since he was 9. But he won't perform live or really at all with his current keyboard since it isn't that great. A 90s or so Casio : Nothing too fancy. He is saving for a nice keyboard but that won't be for a while.

    So now we will have two guitarists for ALL songs. Which puts a damper on our set list since a few songs relied on his keyboard skills (originals and hit covers such as born to be wild :P).

    Now we are having trouble with two guitarists. There are songs we like but he just doesn't get the second guitar parts down. He just doesn't seem to get into it as much. I am singing and he wants me to play lead. I think he is a much better guitarist than me so I don't feel its right for me to get the two main roles.

    Now my options are dropping a bunch of songs including a few originals for songs that have two parts in them. OR letting him do the lead to songs and let myself improvise and stuff where he doesn't feel comfortable doing.

    Any tips??? We have a "gig" coming up soon and we need to get this down quick! He offered to play bass on my basses and amp but I can't let him do that. It wouldn't feel right. He is too good and has too great of equipment to not play guitar! (70s Gibby SG and an ol' Ampeg 2x12)

    I was originally going to play bass but I have too much guitar stuff and my drummer says I have to play guitar. So as of now we are out a bass player.
    Guitars: Harmony H45, Epiphone Dot Deluxe, Fender Mustang, Gibson MM Special, Gibson B25, Teisco Mayqueen
    Amps: Vox AC4, Vox AC15, Harmony H205, Silvertone 1430, Gibson G10

  • #2
    don't worry about hogging all the good parts! Do whats best for the song. If that calls for you playing lead and singing or not, whatever makes everyone comfortable and sounding good is most important. There's a lot of emotion in playing and if the other guy isn't comfortable, it'll be reflected in how you guys sound.

    And have him get that fancy keyboard!
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    • #3
      when its live and everything is loud, not many people are going to be able to tell between a 20 year old keyboard that only cost $75 and a new nice expensive keyboard.

      99% of crowds don't know **************** about gear... tell him to just rock out the casio.
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      Originally Posted by donnie_combat


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      • #4
        when its live and everything is loud, not many people are going to be able to tell between a 20 year old keyboard that only cost $75 and a new nice expensive keyboard.

        99% of crowds don't know **************** about gear... tell him to just rock out the casio.


        That is what I said!!!! He won't budge from his position though... Practice with him is always a bummer. Me and the drummer gets lots done though. He just needs to believe in his keyboard! I mean it sounds like a carnival sometimes but it can get some semi decent noise.
        Guitars: Harmony H45, Epiphone Dot Deluxe, Fender Mustang, Gibson MM Special, Gibson B25, Teisco Mayqueen
        Amps: Vox AC4, Vox AC15, Harmony H205, Silvertone 1430, Gibson G10

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        • #5
          Just play bass yourself temporarily, as guitarists we should all know NEVER listen to the drummer.
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          • #6
            Just play bass yourself temporarily, as guitarists we should all know NEVER listen to the drummer.


            I don't like to listen to him.... He made up a song in his head so he hummed it to me.... : Took me hours of doodling around to figure out what the hell he was wanting. His humming never changed pitch... Turns out it was an insanely simple scale that just went up and down the same two frets.... I added fuzz and flang and it made him happy... whatever keeps him drummin....


            I would love to play bass but I still would like to play guitar. I've invested too much in my guitar stuff to just play bass
            Guitars: Harmony H45, Epiphone Dot Deluxe, Fender Mustang, Gibson MM Special, Gibson B25, Teisco Mayqueen
            Amps: Vox AC4, Vox AC15, Harmony H205, Silvertone 1430, Gibson G10

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            • #7
              Tell the your dude to pick up a Korg Triton. At this point they are cheap as beans used (we're talking $350-ish) and are still an excellent keyboard.
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              Originally Posted by Strung_Out


              your rig is excessive and loud; I dig that.

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              • #8
                .............

                Now we are having trouble with two guitarists. There are songs we like but he just doesn't get the second guitar parts down. He just doesn't seem to get into it as much. I am singing and he wants me to play lead. I think he is a much better guitarist than me so I don't feel its right for me to get the two main roles.

                Now my options are dropping a bunch of songs including a few originals for songs that have two parts in them. OR letting him do the lead to songs and let myself improvise and stuff where he doesn't feel comfortable doing.

                Any tips??? We have a "gig" coming up soon and we need to get this down quick! He offered to play bass on my basses and amp but I can't let him do that. It wouldn't feel right. He is too good and has too great of equipment to not play guitar! (70s Gibby SG and an ol' Ampeg 2x12)

                I was originally going to play bass but I have too much guitar stuff and my drummer says I have to play guitar. So as of now we are out a bass player.


                So he wants to play bass, you are telling him he has to play guitar and the drummer is telling you to play guitar? ?

                Stop it.

                Play the guitar, let him make what he can out of bass and tell the drummer to play his drums or let him play guitar and you play bass.
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                Originally Posted by aenemated
                doc always has been and always will be. He behaves as if he is 18 years old with worlds of wisdom



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                • #9

                  I would love to play bass but I still would like to play guitar. I've invested too much in my guitar stuff to just play bass


                  I'm saying just play bass for that upcoming gig, or until you find a bass player, or until your friend gets better keys (i'm assuming he can play bass lines with his left hand a la ray manzarek), not permanently become the bass player of the band.
                  Video evidence of Yesticles playing live at Random (expletive deleted) Hole, Warren, MI on 11/2/2012.Free "music!"

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                  • #10
                    I'm saying just play bass for that upcoming gig, or until you find a bass player, or until your friend gets better keys (i'm assuming he can play bass lines with his left hand a la ray manzarek), not permanently become the bass player of the band.


                    I might just do this. At least until he picks up keys again. He was planning on splitting the keys to play "bass" on some songs. I do have a few bass guitars I would love to show off. I may just pull a McCartney and play bass/acoustic when necessary.
                    Guitars: Harmony H45, Epiphone Dot Deluxe, Fender Mustang, Gibson MM Special, Gibson B25, Teisco Mayqueen
                    Amps: Vox AC4, Vox AC15, Harmony H205, Silvertone 1430, Gibson G10

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                    • #11
                      Tell the drummer if you have to play guitar and not bass, then he has to sing.

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                      • #12
                        I'm not sure what he considers a "nice keyboard" is, or what his budget is, but here's what I did (I play mostly keys). I had a laptop+softsynths but wanted to use hardware for playing live, but I didn't want to spend tons on hardware when at home I used a laptop--plus I didn't want to drag a super-expensive board into a bar.

                        I first got a used Yamaha Motif (6) for around $600--this alone could cover everything I do, it can do 4-part splits and has acceptable piano/epiano/organ sounds. Synth sounds are a bit limited in number but the ones it has are nice. The action is very good. To beef up my synth power I found a used Virus KB for $620 including a case...and that sucker has one of the nicest keybeds I've ever played, with very very nice sounds. Point being, both these boards are 7-10 years old, but honestly I didn't hear that much from the newer ones that blew me away by comparison--ESPECIALLY considering the price. And, the build quality on many of the new boards just seemed shoddy to me. Of course, while they are quite sturdy the two I bought are quite heavy. That is actually a plus while they are on the stand, but carrying them in their cases (you will want to get cases don't forget) is a bit of a workout for an older back

                        Hope this helps.

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                        • #13
                          Tab everything out, all the part in a score. Then make the players pick a part and stick with it. If they are goung to switch parts mark it down so all know exactly where the changes are going to occur.

                          If you cant get things nailed down that tight, you'll have no chance in pro circuits and will be blown away by the first tight band you come up against. This is not to say you cant jam or have fun mixing it up, theres always time for that later after you're tight and can read each others minds.

                          If you dont get things tight and predictable right up front with hard work and hole eachother accountable for your parts, then theres always going to be unpredictability which makes the band weak and lacking confidence. Mistakes stumbleing over eachother will wind up causing the band to fail and fall appart as soon as youre under pressure.

                          I suggest you have a sit down and have a deep discussion on this. Make notes and have an adjenda and agree on some ground rules. If you want to be competitive you got to have your **************** wrapped tight. If you're venurable, its a piece of cake for preditors to find that out and make you look like amature goofballs on stage.

                          I Know I can easily blow away any band that isnt tight and doesnt play like a single unit. Its so too easy when you got a supper tight band to give another band the willies. Then they wind up loosing concentration on the audience and start overly focusing on parts they dont have down tight.

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                          • #14
                            Rent a keyboard for gigs, use his for practice.


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                            • #15
                              Tab everything out, all the part in a score. Then make the players pick a part and stick with it. If they are goung to switch parts mark it down so all know exactly where the changes are going to occur.

                              If you cant get things nailed down that tight, you'll have no chance in pro circuits and will be blown away by the first tight band you come up against. This is not to say you cant jam or have fun mixing it up, theres always time for that later after you're tight and can read each others minds.

                              If you dont get things tight and predictable right up front with hard work and hole eachother accountable for your parts, then theres always going to be unpredictability which makes the band weak and lacking confidence. Mistakes stumbleing over eachother will wind up causing the band to fail and fall appart as soon as youre under pressure.

                              I suggest you have a sit down and have a deep discussion on this. Make notes and have an adjenda and agree on some ground rules. If you want to be competitive you got to have your **************** wrapped tight. If you're venurable, its a piece of cake for preditors to find that out and make you look like amature goofballs on stage.

                              I Know I can easily blow away any band that isnt tight and doesnt play like a single unit. Its so too easy when you got a supper tight band to give another band the willies. Then they wind up loosing concentration on the audience and start overly focusing on parts they dont have down tight.


                              You make gigging sound like a freaking MMA fight. I bet you're no fun to be in a band with.

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