Harmony Central Forums
Announcement Announcement Module
Collapse
No announcement yet.

Cheesy lyrics dilemma

Page Title Module
Move Remove Collapse









X
Conversation Detail Module
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Cheesy lyrics dilemma

    So my friend and I have been writing songs together basically since highschool (10+ years now). I think we write some nice, cathcy melodies and guitar parts; however, he writes the cheesiest lyrics- I mean stuff that makes me feel inside and kind of embarrassed to even show other people so it kind of ruins it for me. I've tried to tell him to stop being so damn literal and cheesy but to that he always replies something like "cheesy is good" or "cheesy is catchy."

    When we are together writing it's not a problem because I squash those ideas before he becomes attached to them. Unfortunately, we do most of our work on our own and send stuff via ichat and whatnot because our schedules don't usually line up. Then he sends me something he says is awesome and I listen to it and am disappointed by the cheese factor he added and I have a hard time telling him, let alone convincing him to scrap it.

    How can i fix this HCEG? It's really pissing me off lately


    edit: songs added: http://www.purevolume.com/usp801adg

    listen to "blamethelovespread" for the one I was talking about and "I know" to get an idea of past offenses in finished songs
    [SIZE="1"]guits:
    PRS hollowbody II, std22
    Gibson Les Paul Custom
    Fender 62 deluxe vintage players strat (ice blue w/ S1) and 08 Jeff Beck strat
    guild Dc4nt acoustic
    Fender USA Jazz V
    Mele koa ukulele

    amps:
    VHT pitbull classic combo
    Mesa Roadking (ver 1)
    Soldano Astroverb combo
    Fender Deluxe

  • #2
    Find a new writing partner? Start writing lyrics yourself? Seriously, it sounds like your friend isn't going to change his writing style based on your opinion. If it bothers you that much, you're the one who needs to make the change.
    Arrangements? How about I hit on two and four, and you shut the **************** up?

    Comment


    • #3
      Find a new writing partner? Start writing lyrics yourself? Seriously, it sounds like your friend isn't going to change his writing style based on your opinion. If it bothers you that much, you're the one who needs to make the change.


      The problem is I can't sing to save my life.. like I said, we write lyrics and melodies together when we have time but mostly it ends up that he writes them because he is the one singing... and he is great at catchy guitar parts and whatnot. Plus we've been friends for like 15 years so I'm not gonna refuse to make songs with him anymore.
      [SIZE="1"]guits:
      PRS hollowbody II, std22
      Gibson Les Paul Custom
      Fender 62 deluxe vintage players strat (ice blue w/ S1) and 08 Jeff Beck strat
      guild Dc4nt acoustic
      Fender USA Jazz V
      Mele koa ukulele

      amps:
      VHT pitbull classic combo
      Mesa Roadking (ver 1)
      Soldano Astroverb combo
      Fender Deluxe

      Comment


      • #4
        We're on ichat now discussing a song in progress that we started this weekend- he wrote a chorus that's cheesy

        Idk maybe I'm overreacting- I might try to post this thing we're working on so you can judge for yourselves
        [SIZE="1"]guits:
        PRS hollowbody II, std22
        Gibson Les Paul Custom
        Fender 62 deluxe vintage players strat (ice blue w/ S1) and 08 Jeff Beck strat
        guild Dc4nt acoustic
        Fender USA Jazz V
        Mele koa ukulele

        amps:
        VHT pitbull classic combo
        Mesa Roadking (ver 1)
        Soldano Astroverb combo
        Fender Deluxe

        Comment


        • #5
          cheesy how? example?

          a lot of what mike ness writes is cheesy as hell, but i still love it. a nearly 50 y/o man singing "story of my life" is about as cheesy as it gets, but it's still awesome.
          Proud founder of the Trailer Trash Tattooed Piece of ****************/Dollar Store Trash Club.
          Tattoos courtesy of Espi & Alison Casson

          Comment


          • #6
            At least the dude can admit they're cheesy.

            Singer in my last band couldn't right good lyrics to save his life, but he thought he was insightful and poet. It was rather awful.
            Guitars:Gibson Les Paul Standard FadedFender Roadworn '72 Deluxe TelecasterKramer StrikerAmplification:Titan Custom RetrofitRandall R412CSOfficial member of the Ninja Lows club

            Comment


            • #7
              At least the dude can admit they're cheesy.

              Singer in my last band couldn't right good lyrics to save his life, but he thought he was insightful and poet. It was rather awful.


              ha yeah that would be worse, thankfully he's really down to earth so even though we disagree, nobody gets mad
              [SIZE="1"]guits:
              PRS hollowbody II, std22
              Gibson Les Paul Custom
              Fender 62 deluxe vintage players strat (ice blue w/ S1) and 08 Jeff Beck strat
              guild Dc4nt acoustic
              Fender USA Jazz V
              Mele koa ukulele

              amps:
              VHT pitbull classic combo
              Mesa Roadking (ver 1)
              Soldano Astroverb combo
              Fender Deluxe

              Comment


              • #8
                Alright hopefully this works- sorry i don't have soundclick and didn't feel like signing up but I have a page for ideas that you can stream from here:

                http://www.purevolume.com/usp801adg

                -The one I'm talking about is titled "blamethelovespread" - the singing doesnt kick in until the second chorus and part of the bridge and the music obviously is not done but you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about
                [SIZE="1"]guits:
                PRS hollowbody II, std22
                Gibson Les Paul Custom
                Fender 62 deluxe vintage players strat (ice blue w/ S1) and 08 Jeff Beck strat
                guild Dc4nt acoustic
                Fender USA Jazz V
                Mele koa ukulele

                amps:
                VHT pitbull classic combo
                Mesa Roadking (ver 1)
                Soldano Astroverb combo
                Fender Deluxe

                Comment


                • #9
                  yeah it has the cheesy "love song" feel to it, but i don't really see that as a bad thing honestly. has a chilled out alkaline trio vibe to it, methinks.

                  the melody is good and unless you're writing lyrics on the level of, say, tom waits or townes van zandt i think the melody itself is more important than the words themselves.

                  i wouldn't worry about it.

                  christ, one of my band's most popular songs features a chorus that simply says "i got drunk."
                  Proud founder of the Trailer Trash Tattooed Piece of ****************/Dollar Store Trash Club.
                  Tattoos courtesy of Espi & Alison Casson

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    i assure you, i don't.
                    Proud founder of the Trailer Trash Tattooed Piece of ****************/Dollar Store Trash Club.
                    Tattoos courtesy of Espi & Alison Casson

                    Comment


                    • #11

                      christ, one of my band's most popular songs features a chorus that simply says "i got drunk."


                      haha nice

                      well i guess i'm just overthinking things but he does have a history- I'm adding a song to the page called "I know" that is finished so you can get the full cheese effect. O well, I guess I'll just have to live with our songs all being sappy
                      [SIZE="1"]guits:
                      PRS hollowbody II, std22
                      Gibson Les Paul Custom
                      Fender 62 deluxe vintage players strat (ice blue w/ S1) and 08 Jeff Beck strat
                      guild Dc4nt acoustic
                      Fender USA Jazz V
                      Mele koa ukulele

                      amps:
                      VHT pitbull classic combo
                      Mesa Roadking (ver 1)
                      Soldano Astroverb combo
                      Fender Deluxe

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I liked the song you have up there. The lyrics are cheesy, but not bad.

                        Just ask him to compromise, the more mellow poppy songs have cheesy lyrics and the more upbeat stuff ask him to write something a little more serious.
                        Guitars:Gibson Les Paul Standard FadedFender Roadworn '72 Deluxe TelecasterKramer StrikerAmplification:Titan Custom RetrofitRandall R412CSOfficial member of the Ninja Lows club

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Sounds good to me. I'm missing the cheeze? Thinking a lil Dashboard Confessionalish but if I had their money I'd throw mine away...
                          > .

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Sounds good to me. I'm missing the cheeze? Thinking a lil Dashboard Confessionalish but if I had their money I'd throw mine away...


                            Well damn, maybe I'm totally overreacting?
                            [SIZE="1"]guits:
                            PRS hollowbody II, std22
                            Gibson Les Paul Custom
                            Fender 62 deluxe vintage players strat (ice blue w/ S1) and 08 Jeff Beck strat
                            guild Dc4nt acoustic
                            Fender USA Jazz V
                            Mele koa ukulele

                            amps:
                            VHT pitbull classic combo
                            Mesa Roadking (ver 1)
                            Soldano Astroverb combo
                            Fender Deluxe

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I don't want to come off as cynical or a troll or whatever, but with catchy pop guitar music, you don't need to strive for literary cred in your lyrics. I think your "Blamethelovespread" song is perfectly catchy, and the lyrics aren't nearly as cheesy as you made it out to be. Maybe you'd like it to have "thinking man's" lyrics, but that style of music appeals isn't going to appeal to that demographic. It will appeal to high school and college kids (and very likely would appeal to more girls than guys), who generally don't want to think deeply about lyrics. And let's be honest, hitting that demographic with your music can be a very, very good thing. Honestly, I'd say to keep on track, because it sounds like you have a good thing going on.
                              Guitars: 3 Fender Strats, Fender Jazzmaster, Squier Bullet, 2 Gibson Les Pauls, Gibson ES-339, Gibson Les Paul Jr. Special, Epiphone Les Paul, Epiphone Dot, Epiphone SG, PRS SE Custom 24, Ibanez AS73, Hamer Duotone, Larrivee D-03R, Takamine EG5013S, 1951 Epiphone Devon, Ibanez SR305 (bass)Pedal Chain: BBE Green Screamer -> MXR Distortion III -> Boss CE-5 -> EH Stereo Pulsar -> Boss DD-20 -> BBE Boosta GrandeAmps: Vox AC4, AC15, AC30, Pathfinder 10, DA5SoundCloud

                              Comment



                              Working...
                              X