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    I am thinking of change my current equipment - I found out that pedals are not the most important thing for the sound I want, So I have a budget to (1) change my current 06' Deluxe Strat (Mexico,rose wood) to American Standard Strat (maple) (2) change my amp (Fender Super Champ XD) to VOX AC15.

    I can only do one of those two options. Any suggestions?
    Thanks!

    UPDATE: I finally bought VOX AC15!!!
    ASAP - as slow as possible
    KISS - keep it simple & stupid

  • #2
    The amp is the way to go in this situation, but you should keep the super champ too.
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    • #3
      The amp is the way to go in this situation, but you should keep the super champ too.


      I want to keep SC~but if I want to buy AC15 I need to sell it. I just changed the preamp tube in SC with a JJ 12AX7 and it sounds better now. Thinking of change the speaker too. But it seems that SC will never sounds close to VOX AC15.
      ASAP - as slow as possible
      KISS - keep it simple & stupid

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      • #4
        what are you trying to get out of the change?
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        It's funny how nowadays the only decent metal around is the theme music for a cartoon that makes fun of metal bands.

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        • #5
          what are you trying to get out of the change?


          I want a better sound I just played several American Strat and Fender/Vox amps in GC and found out the sound of American Standard Strat + Vox AC15 is GREAT. Not sure what to change (guitar or amp) will make me closer to this sound.
          ASAP - as slow as possible
          KISS - keep it simple & stupid

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          • #6
            What sound are you looking for?
            No sig.

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            • #7
              A pickup change could be a fix. Take you guitar to the store, play the same amps and go from there to deduct what you want to change.
              Originally Posted by Hopeless


              I wouldn't recommend them for metal, but then I also wouldn't recommend playing metal.









              Originally Posted by Django Sentenza


              When you've founded an entire branch of science dedicated to quantifying taste, get back to me.

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              • #8
                A pickup change could be a fix. Take you guitar to the store, play the same amps and go from there to deduct what you want to change.


                Any suggestion on pickups? The fender noiseless pickups seems don't have much output especially on 1st string.
                ASAP - as slow as possible
                KISS - keep it simple & stupid

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                • #9
                  What sound are you looking for?


                  I tried several stuff in GC and try to find the sound I like.

                  First I compared maple and rosewood Strat. I like the "clearer?" sound of maple Strat.

                  Then I compared Fender Blues Deluxe with VOX AC15 and found out that AC15 sound just like the thing I am looking for. "rich,a bit of acoustic feeling, transparent" - I am not sure this is the best way to describe it.
                  ASAP - as slow as possible
                  KISS - keep it simple & stupid

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                  • #10
                    Any suggestion on pickups? The fender noiseless pickups seems don't have much output especially on 1st string.


                    I suppose that depends on what tone you want, but I would go play your guitar through those same amps to see if that's the case or not before considering a change. Perhaps you like the tone of your current setup through the VOX.

                    However, lots of people recommend BG pickups for the '60s Strat tone reasonably priced at $100 a set.
                    Originally Posted by Hopeless


                    I wouldn't recommend them for metal, but then I also wouldn't recommend playing metal.









                    Originally Posted by Django Sentenza


                    When you've founded an entire branch of science dedicated to quantifying taste, get back to me.

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                    • #11
                      If I only had one guitar and one amp, I would much rather have the Deluxe Strat and an AC15 (with a Weber Blue Dog) than any $600 new guitar and the Super Champ.



                      But as someone above said, a relatively modest pickup change will be a dramatic improvement, depending on what kind of tone you are going for... but I've always thought the Vintage Noiseless pickups (which I think is what is in the 2006 Deluxe Players strat) are pretty great sounding. I think there are some great tones in the Super Champ... I think the speaker holds it back. I mean, for a practice amp, I think it's spectacular, but for trying to sound like a full size amp on its own, it needs a bigger speaker or at least something with a fuller bottom end and more body. You could always get a 1x12 or 2x12 cab and get some speakers... You could probably put something together for relatively cheap. I'd personally try to find a used quality 1x12 cab locally, then order either a Weber Blue Dog if you are mostly going for clean and lower gain tones, esp Vox tones, or I'd get a Warehouse Speakers Reaper 55 for good clean tones but great gain tones.

                      That would be a HUGE step but if you want a Vox, get a Vox. I'm a Vox guy, too, and modelers just don't do a very good job at coping the Vox vibe usually... on the other hand, if you sell the Super Champ to get the AC15, you're getting rid of a lot of versatility and without comparing them back to back, I would think that the Super Champ and the Reaper 55 would have more clean headroom than the AC15 with the Greenback. The Greenback itself tends to have some speaker breakup and EL84s tend to not keep their composure quite as well as 6V6s.
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                      • #12
                        I tried several stuff in GC and try to find the sound I like.

                        First I compared maple and rosewood Strat. I like the "clearer?" sound of maple Strat.

                        Then I compared Fender Blues Deluxe with VOX AC15 and found out that AC15 sound just like the thing I am looking for. "rich,a bit of acoustic feeling, transparent" - I am not sure this is the best way to describe it.


                        Your amp affects your tone just as much as your guitar does, if not more, in some cases. I'd say change the amp. Going from one strat to another isn't going to make the amount of difference you're looking for. Going from a rosewood to a maple board is hardly going to make any difference. The pickups will make a difference, but you can change those for much less than buying a new guitar. Get the AC15, and you'll be a whole lot closer to your tone.

                        Get the amp, and given the difference in price between the AC15 ($500 or $600, I think?) and an American Standard Strat ($900-$1000), you can buy a new set of pickups, maybe even a maple board neck, and be all the way there.

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                        • #13
                          If I only had one guitar and one amp, I would much rather have the Deluxe Strat and an AC15 (with a Weber Blue Dog) than any $600 new guitar and the Super Champ.



                          But as someone above said, a relatively modest pickup change will be a dramatic improvement, depending on what kind of tone you are going for... but I've always thought the Vintage Noiseless pickups (which I think is what is in the 2006 Deluxe Players strat) are pretty great sounding. I think there are some great tones in the Super Champ... I think the speaker holds it back. I mean, for a practice amp, I think it's spectacular, but for trying to sound like a full size amp on its own, it needs a bigger speaker or at least something with a fuller bottom end and more body. You could always get a 1x12 or 2x12 cab and get some speakers... You could probably put something together for relatively cheap. I'd personally try to find a used quality 1x12 cab locally, then order either a Weber Blue Dog if you are mostly going for clean and lower gain tones, esp Vox tones, or I'd get a Warehouse Speakers Reaper 55 for good clean tones but great gain tones.

                          That would be a HUGE step but if you want a Vox, get a Vox. I'm a Vox guy, too, and modelers just don't do a very good job at coping the Vox vibe usually... on the other hand, if you sell the Super Champ to get the AC15, you're getting rid of a lot of versatility and without comparing them back to back, I would think that the Super Champ and the Reaper 55 would have more clean headroom than the AC15 with the Greenback. The Greenback itself tends to have some speaker breakup and EL84s tend to not keep their composure quite as well as 6V6s.


                          Great advice~I play more ambient/post-rock stuff. So I need good clean and lower gains tones. Seems tone is more important than versatility to me. For now I only use clean channel or #5 voice in SCXD for clean tone. I am not sure if I change the speaker in SCXD to Ragin Cajun will make a huge difference.

                          If I buy a AC15...would Weber Blue Dog a good one compare to Celestion Blue? I only know this one.

                          I think I need to buy an AC15 then!
                          ASAP - as slow as possible
                          KISS - keep it simple & stupid

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                          • #14
                            Great advice~I play more ambient/post-rock stuff. So I need good clean and lower gains tones. Seems tone is more important than versatility to me. For now I only use clean channel or #5 voice in SCXD for clean tone. I am not sure if I change the speaker in SCXD to Ragin Cajun will make a huge difference.

                            If I buy a AC15...would Weber Blue Dog a good one compare to Celestion Blue? I only know this one.

                            I think I need to buy an AC15 then!


                            Make sure you bring your guitar when you go to try it out again!
                            Originally Posted by Hopeless


                            I wouldn't recommend them for metal, but then I also wouldn't recommend playing metal.









                            Originally Posted by Django Sentenza


                            When you've founded an entire branch of science dedicated to quantifying taste, get back to me.

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                            • #15
                              Make sure you bring your guitar when you go to try it out again!


                              definitely will do! may consider change pickup as well. Just to get more output
                              ASAP - as slow as possible
                              KISS - keep it simple & stupid

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