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    I'm looking at an Eclipse-II.

    What's the general opinion about ESP?

    What's the difference between the standard line and custom line (it's a pretty significant price hike)?

    How does it (the standard Eclipse) differ from a Les Paul?


    I already have a couple of Les Pauls, so I'm not looking for an LP copy per se. More looking for an EMG loaded axe for metal that's similar to what I'm already used to.
    R. Mutt

    Guitar -> Wah -> Amp -> Cab

  • #2
    General opinion? No idea. Mine? Here it is, along with 3 blurry pics.







    I had an Eclipse II. Vintage black with EMGs. Very, very playable. Really high quality build. I liked the XJ frets. Some may not. I liked the ebony fingerboard, both in looks and in tone. I liked that it was the same scale length as my Les Pauls. I liked the belly cut, which is not typical with singlecuts. I ended up realizing, as much as I tried, that I don't like EMGs, even after I did the 18v mod. I sold it to help fund another guitar.

    The custom shop prices (to me) are insane, and I can't justify them to myself. Go to the ESP boards and ask around -- ESP's reputation for delivering what the customer wants and when they want it is not as high reaching as their prices.
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    • #3
      An ESP custom shop guitar will be as good as anything on the planet.

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      • #4
        To clarify... I'm not talking about ordering an actual built to my specs custom shop guitar. They have a stock series referred to as the "Custom Line" of guitars. I'm wondering what the spending 3x as much gets you?

        Eclipse-II - Standard Series - Generally seems to retail for around $1600 or so.
        http://espguitars.com/guitars_eclipse.html


        Eclipse Custom Series - Retails for $5000.
        http://espguitars.com/guitars_esp-custom.html
        R. Mutt

        Guitar -> Wah -> Amp -> Cab

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        • #5
          my limited experience with ESP's tells me they are amazing guitars. They play great, sound great and feel great. That being said, I don't know that the custom shop model really outclasses the standard ESP.
          Squier Surf Strat / Gibson Faded Flying V / Peavey Classic 30 / Squier CV Jazz Bass

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          • #6
            When I got a few opportunities to try guitars at the 48th street store, I played some of the finest instruments that fingers can shred on.

            The MII is and all at once.
            Originally Posted by conky


            Yeah, it was great, have you seen the one where he shoves a screwdriver handle up his urethra?









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            hahahaha..it's ok..I am better now .... I took my meds...









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            • #7
              my limited experience with ESP's tells me they are amazing guitars. They play great, sound great and feel great. That being said, I don't know that the custom shop model really outclasses the standard ESP.


              Yes to all and to my knowledge the same staff do the Standard ESP guitars as do the custom orders (not 100% sure but I read that somewhere from what I thought was ESP literature). The only difference being that if you wanted something specific then you'd get it with the custom order.
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              • #8
                I had an Eclipse II ( I wish I still had it) and it was a very well-made guitar. Perfect fit and finish and great playability. I would definitely get another one. If I hadn't just bought a Hamer USA Studio, I would be on the hunt for another Eclipse II.

                I do not have experience with a custom ESP, however the Standard that I had was very good. It is not, however, anything like a Les Paul. The ESP has a thinner body (with a contour) and a much thinner and flatter neck.
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                • #9
                  Rrrrr, just typed out a looong reply then got disconnected and lost it

                  The general gist was - ESPs are great - nobody seems to say anything bad about them (besides price) and I just bought one and absolutely love it
                  Gear:
                  Cort m200 (with SD 59/JB combo)
                  Ampeg Dan Armstrong
                  Gibson Firebird Studio
                  Gibson Explorer x2 (natural/white)
                  Gibson LP studio
                  Squier Tele Custom II
                  Godin LG EMG
                  Hello Kitty Strat
                  Edwards LPC
                  Jackson COW 6
                  Jim Root Strat
                  ESP Eclipse I DBSB
                  Billy Corgan Strat
                  50s Tribute Goldtop HB
                  Squier Mini Strat
                  Fender Cabronita Tele

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                  • #10
                    you'll be hard pressed to find any negative comments about ESP's, at least not from people that have played them. They just seem to do it right, and consistently right.

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                    • #11
                      To clarify... I'm not talking about ordering an actual built to my specs custom shop guitar. They have a stock series referred to as the "Custom Line" of guitars. I'm wondering what the spending 3x as much gets you?

                      Eclipse-II - Standard Series - Generally seems to retail for around $1600 or so.
                      http://espguitars.com/guitars_eclipse.html


                      Eclipse Custom Series - Retails for $5000.
                      http://espguitars.com/guitars_esp-custom.html



                      By any chance, have you heard of Michael Kelly brand guitars? The Patriot Premium (and another model) have EMG 81/85 pickups.

                      The build quality on the Premium, Vintage, Custom, and the various Limited models is pretty incredible. Most of these models have ebony fingerboards, deep tenon set-in necks, abalone markers, sometimes abalone binding, Grover tuners, TonePros bridges, great pickups that are sometimes direct mounted to the body. The fingerboard and fretwork is absolutely top notch -- like what you'd expect on a MIJ ESP or a MIA PRS.

                      The real killer is the PRICE: $699 or less -- blows Epis, LTD, and PRS-SE right out of the water at that price for those features and quality!

                      If there is a downside, it may be that many of these models only have one (or two) volume and one tone control, and the switch may be in a different place than a Gibson. These particular models mentioned above, and a couple of others, are made in Korea. The Standard and a few others that sell for around $399 are made in China. The MIC models are decent guitars, but none of them have ebony fingerboards, real abalone, or esoteric features.

                      http://www.guitarcenter.com/Michael-Kelly-Patriot-Premium-Electric-Guitar-515959-i1531408.gc?o=5&ipp=25&source=4WWRWXGB



                      SPECIFICATIONS

                      CONSTRUCTION:Set-neck
                      BODY: Mahogany
                      TOP: Maple
                      NECK: Mahogany
                      FRETBOARD: Ebony
                      FRETS: 22 medium jumbo
                      SCALE: 24 3/4"
                      INLAY: Patriot cross
                      BRIDGE: TonePros

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                      • #12
                        ESP are great guitars, almost bought an Eclipse myself,,,but they are not really like an LP...thinner body and neck, that coupled withthe EMG's will give you a a different tone than a LP would....i believe they make some Eclipises with Semour Duncans....i currently have a LTD PB-401 with SD P-rails in it and the the quality on it is amazing for a $500 guitar...always liked ESP's I say go for the standard though at the $1600 price range....you know for a few hundred more you can score a nice Gibson LP
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                        • #13
                          I had a ESP Eclips II...Amazing guitar, however, as others have stated it is not an LP, nor do they sound and play like a LP.

                          Mine was a flame top with passive duncans.

                          I know of a used LTD model of the same guitar that Some-Dude posted for sale, it's mint with the factory stickers still applied and hardshell case for $550...beauty...it's at Music Center in Kenosha, WI...they just got it on trade.
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                          • #14
                            I have owned and played everything from Custom Shop ESPs to low-end LTDs. Each one has been great in terms of build quality, fit, and finish. For a single cut I would go with the LTD EC1000. They are not as expensive as the ESPs and are every bit as good, IMHO.
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                            • #15
                              I have owned and played everything from Custom Shop ESPs to low-end LTDs. Each one has been great in terms of build quality, fit, and finish. For a single cut I would go with the LTD EC1000. They are not as expensive as the ESPs and are every bit as good, IMHO.


                              How does the EC1000 compare in terms of sound and feel to the ESP version? Is the neck the same carve/body same thickness and all that stuff? Might be a cheaper way for me to find out of I like the sound/feel without dropping so much $$$$ into it.

                              (No ESP dealers nearby)
                              R. Mutt

                              Guitar -> Wah -> Amp -> Cab

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