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    I just found out that split-post tuners exist. what would the advantages/disadvantages be of these compared to regular tuners? thanks.

  • #2
    I call them split safety post tuners. the string end goes down the center of the shaft same as most bass tuners. You have no sharp string ends to deal with. I usually cut the strings about 2" past their respective post, put the end down the center of the shaft, tighten and done! I prefer this type of tuning machine, especially on my fender styles.
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    • #3
      Fewer string wraps are required.



      Look at how few I get away with. Not even a full wrap on the wound strings. Compare that to what I do on normal tuners:

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      • #4
        Vintage Fender hardware. IMO a lot easier to restring since you don't have to tie the end of the string off.

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        • #5
          Best tuner design ever. I even put them on my Les Paul.

          For a six on a side, cut the string two posts past the appropriate tuner, install, and stretch a bit. Your tuning will be rock-solid.

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          • #6
            I cut it more like 1.25 posts past.
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            • #7
              any good guides on how to string these? looking elsewhere, i've read that they're great, provided you string them properly. someone recommends bringing the string back on itself, whatever that means. also, i get the impression that the end of the string must be buried so that it doesn't yield a pointy tip. it seems like burying it would mean cutting the string pretty precisely before winding it on. any thoughts?

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              • #8
                Both types of tuner work fine. In my experience:

                Pro: cleanly hides string ends

                Con: You need wire cutters if you want to put a new string on (or something that can cut the string to the appropriate length)
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                • #9
                  any good guides on how to string these? looking elsewhere, i've read that they're great, provided you string them properly. someone recommends bringing the string back on itself, whatever that means. also, i get the impression that the end of the string must be buried so that it doesn't yield a pointy tip. it seems like burying it would mean cutting the string pretty precisely before winding it on. any thoughts?


                  You do have to cut it the right length first for sure. But you don't have to worry about that other stuff. I do wind the small E string one over and the rest under. I think the honey is cool method is pretty stupid. I suppose it would work, but I wouldn't want my string to come out or affect tuning for the sake of saving 20 seconds winding it down. I do the 2nd tuner down thing as mentioned. I don't know how many inches that is.

                  BUT...

                  You have to put a 90-degree bend in the wound strings before you cut them. The windings can come loose from the core while you're muscling the string aroiund to get it on the hole and whatnot. If that happens the string sounds really dead immediately. I had it happen before a couple times and Randy Stockwell told me what I was doing wrong.

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                  • #10
                    Here's the perfect restring with vintage slotted tuning machines.

                    1) Take your low E string and pull it through so it's taught, hold it down in the proper slot, lay it through the low E slot and cut it about 1/2 way between the D & G tuner posts. Bend about an inch worth to 90o with pliers. Insert the last inch that has been bent into the post and wind counter-clockwise.

                    2) Do the same with A, D & G strings.

                    3) For B and high e, measure 4 posts worth of "extra" string and cut. Fold the first inch worth with pliers to nearly 180 degrees, but not all the way. Leave some springiness in the wire. Take the next inch worth and fold with pliers to 90o and insert the first 2 inches worth into the tuning hole. Wind counter-clockwise.

                    By having the first two inches folded in half, it makes the string much less likely to pop out when you're trying to wind it.

                    The less string around the posts, the less likelihood of slippage and going out of tune.

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                    • #11
                      Never needed pliers, just cutters. Stick it in the hole and bend.

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                      • #12
                        fwiw, I always try to get 3 wraps on the post w/ALL tuners. I know everyone has THE CORRECT way to do it, but I've found 3 wraps a)gets the break of the nut correct and b)doesn't cause tuning issues. IMO, YMMV, etc...
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                        • #13
                          That's exactly how I do it. And when I say 'exactly', I really mean 'exactly'!



                          Well, almost. I don't use pliers to do the B and E string ' 180 degree bend'. I just kinda press it together and bend it with my fingers.

                          This is how I was taught about 30 years ago and, while I've had maybe two strings slip while stringing up someone else's guitar in the last 15 years, I've literally never had an E or B string slip when stringing my own guitars using this method.

                          Here's the perfect restring with vintage slotted tuning machines.

                          1) Take your low E string and pull it through so it's taught, hold it down in the proper slot, lay it through the low E slot and cut it about 1/2 way between the D & G tuner posts. Bend about an inch worth to 90o with pliers. Insert the last inch that has been bent into the post and wind counter-clockwise.

                          2) Do the same with A, D & G strings.

                          3) For B and high e, measure 4 posts worth of "extra" string and cut. Fold the first inch worth with pliers to nearly 180 degrees, but not all the way. Leave some springiness in the wire. Take the next inch worth and fold with pliers to 90o and insert the first 2 inches worth into the tuning hole. Wind counter-clockwise.

                          By having the first two inches folded in half, it makes the string much less likely to pop out when you're trying to wind it.

                          The less string around the posts, the less likelihood of slippage and going out of tune.

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                          • #14
                            That's exactly how I do it. And when I say 'exactly', I really mean 'exactly'!



                            Well, almost. I don't use pliers to do the B and E string ' 180 degree bend'. I just kinda press it together and bend it with my fingers.

                            This is how I was taught about 30 years ago and, while I've had maybe two strings slip while stringing up someone else's guitar in the last 15 years, I've literally never had an E or B string slip when stringing my own guitars using this method.
                            But I use vintage pliers. I think that makes all the difference.
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                            The discussion about nitro (and many things on forums like these) is largely based on folklore, innuendo, and assumption that it "sounds better". Poppycock.

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                            • #15
                              Always kinda liked them,but don't have any in play at the moment...
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