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  • What do you think about this comment regarding far eastern guitars?

    I don't want to start a ****************storm, but I am curious whether you agree with the chief designer of Walden Guitars. He's talking acoustics, but the same thing could easily apply to electrics.

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    "There are still some people who say, Your guitar is made in China so it must be made with slave labour, but that is absolutely not what's going on here. We have a bunch of happy ten year old boys at our factory."

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      • #4
        They have thousands of years' experience building stringed instruments in Japan, don't they?
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        • #5
          This was written by a guy who is promoting his guitars for commercial succes. With this obvious bias, he has little credibility in my book. He's talking bull**************** and has an interest in whatever message he sends that will convince someone to buy his MIC guitars because unlike other asian manufacturers (and he includes Japan), he's doing it right. Lol.
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            They have thousands of years' experience building stringed instruments in Japan, don't they?


            And wood working in japan has had for thousands of years a level that america never matched.
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            • #7
              I don't want to start a ****************storm


              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov, Newsweek (21 January 1980)

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              • #8
                I've played a lot of the Walden guitars. Good value for the price, but they don't strike me as any different from any other Asian made guitars.
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                • #9
                  Seriously? This is a discussion board about gear. I'm trying to get an intelligent discussion going.

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                  • #10
                    Seriously? This is a discussion board about gear. I'm trying to get an intelligent discussion going.


                    then go to TGP.


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                    • #11
                      Walden is owned by KHS music which is a big Taiwanese conglomerate that also owns Hercules stands and mapex drums.

                      You've clipped both ends of that conversation so I'm not really sure what "balance" he's referring to in the beginning of that conversation. But from further on I think what he's saying is that Japan didn't copy American guitar manufacturing methods directly and cut corners which the other Asian builders then copied.

                      But that's a very limited perspective. He's totally ignoring or ignorant to the fact that their are plenty of acoustic manufactures in Japan that build to high spec standards every bit as good as American companies. Is he trying to tell me Yairi doesn't build guitars that are as good quality as Martin? I'm sure he does know they do...but it doesn't fit his argument to MARKET his guitars and try to set them apart as something better than the rest.

                      A part of that too could be the ignorance towards "Asian guitars" as being only what people see in America. So while it's probably true that most "asian" guitars Americans see in a store might be of slightly lower production standards than an American guitar...it's because that's what is "wanted" for the American market. As in the electric guitar market..."High end Asian" guitars pretty much only come from Japan, and the majority don't leave the domestic Japanese market. Companies know it's hard to get people to stray from their Martins and Taylors...even if their guitar might be better.

                      As far as the labor issue. Of course he's going to say that. What else is he going to say? And maybe it's true. But as I've argued many times before....for me that's not the point. For me the point is that as a country, China has terrible labor standards, so I cannot know for sure if the things I buy from there are ethically made. So if I have a choice, I won't buy from there. Unless I can see independent reviews of conditions in his factory that prove his point, then I'd rather spend my money supporting countries that I know have better labor standards and better enforce labor laws. I'd rather not take the chance.

                      As for Walden guitars themselves...the few that I have played were very nice. Sounded very good. Some of their higher end models are excellent 'bang for the buck', strictly in terms of quality and sound. But for me, buying a guitar has more factors than just quality and sound as I've already mentioned.

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                      • #12
                        One could ask when did Americans become the authority on manufacturing guitars when the instrument originated in Spain.
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                        • #13
                          One could ask when did Americans become the authority on manufacturing guitars when the instrument originated in Spain.
                          That's just part of the guy's spin as he's trying to sell his MIC gear to a large country with a fair amount of disposable income. I bet he'd word it differently if he were talking to the Japanese press.
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                          Originally Posted by Mike Eldred, Fender Custom Shop


                          The discussion about nitro (and many things on forums like these) is largely based on folklore, innuendo, and assumption that it "sounds better". Poppycock.

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                          • #14
                            Walden is owned by KHS music which is a big Taiwanese conglomerate that also owns Hercules stands and mapex drums.

                            You've clipped both ends of that conversation so I'm not really sure what "balance" he's referring to in the beginning of that conversation. But from further on I think what he's saying is that Japan didn't copy American guitar manufacturing methods directly and cut corners which the other Asian builders then copied.

                            But that's a very limited perspective. He's totally ignoring or ignorant to the fact that their are plenty of acoustic manufactures in Japan that build to high spec standards every bit as good as American companies. Is he trying to tell me Yairi doesn't build guitars that are as good quality as Martin? I'm sure he does know they do...but it doesn't fit his argument to MARKET his guitars and try to set them apart as something better than the rest.

                            A part of that too could be the ignorance towards "Asian guitars" as being only what people see in America. So while it's probably true that most "asian" guitars Americans see in a store might be of slightly lower production standards than an American guitar...it's because that's what is "wanted" for the American market. As in the electric guitar market..."High end Asian" guitars pretty much only come from Japan, and the majority don't leave the domestic Japanese market. Companies know it's hard to get people to stray from their Martins and Taylors...even if their guitar might be better.





                            Impressively accurate insight into the matter.
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                            • #15
                              Impressively accurate insight into the matter.


                              Not really. I think you missed his point which was that Japan actually DID go back to the source when they were getting serious about building fine instruments.

                              "...it stops at Japan."

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