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  • Best glue to use for a floyd rose trem stud/insert replacement

    Never done this repair before, but I need to replace the studs/sleeve insert on a FR equipped guitar.



    I have



    Super glue (Cyano arcrylate)

    Yellow elmers woodworkers glue which I have read is the same as titebond

    Gorilla Glue.



    Will any these work well,or do you have a better suggestion?

  • Canadian Jeff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radar-Love
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    Neither does wood. The rebound effect of compressed wood holds the anchor in place -- provided that the clear hole for the anchor was drilled to proper specification in the first place.



    If the hole is a tiny bit too large, you can successfully use wood glue to fill in the gap. Personally, I'd use Titebond III for this as it has the lowest shrinkage of all wood glues.



    If the anchor hole in the guitar has become egged-out, you can fill in the missing wood with epoxy and re-mill the anchor hole to specification after the epoxy has cured.




    Whatever. I don't care. Use glue. You could just do it properly, but instead, get a speed-bore bit the size of your head and just use Titebond 12 to fill in the gap.



    Threads like this are why I stopped taking my guitar to "techs". If I showed up and buddy had drilled the holes for the bushings too large I'd shush him there, grab my guitar, and leave.



    The very first time I did this very job was while stoned with nothing but an old lawn chair to rest the guitar on and a Makita hammer drill. It's just enlarging two holes slightly, it doesn't require a physics degree or glue.

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  • Canadian Jeff
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    I've enlarged the holes from a Floyd bushing for a Gotoh bushing before. Used a hand drill and everything (it's pretty hard to mess up and go sideways when you're only slightly enlarging a pre-existing hole).

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  • Belva
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    Look, none of us can give the absolute best answer because we don't have the guitar in front of us. This is a repair. Any repair of a guitar is gonna be different than anything else ever done. Similarities, yes, but that's as far as it goes. If you have to dowel plug it, put the plug in with a good wood glue and drill the hole one size small for an interference fit. If you just have to open up the hole for the the new anchor, drill the hole one size small (1/64") and drive that puppy home. Also make sure the hole you drill is proper depth. Do that by holding the drill bit next to the anchor. Line up the part of the drill just above the pointed part with the bottom of the anchor. Use a piece of tape to mark the drill. This is one case where just a touch deeper is best.

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  • Arr0wHead
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    I'm going through this same thing soon, replacing an Ibanz IRT-1 with a Gotoh. The studs are much larger, and I have no drill press or tools to replace the bushings. (the Gotoh are considerable larger). Would I be okay just using the new trem unit with the original bushings/studs already in the guitar?

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  • Radar-Love
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Jeff
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    ...but wood glue doesn't bond metal.








    Neither does wood. The rebound effect of compressed wood holds the anchor in place -- provided that the clear hole for the anchor was drilled to proper specification in the first place.



    If the hole is a tiny bit too large, you can successfully use wood glue to fill in the gap. Personally, I'd use Titebond III for this as it has the lowest shrinkage of all wood glues.



    If the anchor hole in the guitar has become egged-out, you can fill in the missing wood with epoxy and re-mill the anchor hole to specification after the epoxy has cured.




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  • Canadian Jeff
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    Do not use glue! Even if you did, and say you did it using Elmers or Titebond, they wouldn't be 'glued' in. They might stay, but wood glue doesn't bond metal. They inserts will eventually come lose.



    OP, find a drill bit that's a whisker smaller than the bushings (this is where a caliper would make itself very useful) and you won't need to worry about how to fix a hole that's too big. Bushings are designed to be pressed in and to stay seated without glue.

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  • craigny
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    Well he said that the new bushings are slightly larger right?? So he shouldnt have to use any glue..as long as the new holes are not too small to press in the bushings he should be able to press them in....not sure how much smaller the hole has to be for the bushing though but id say like what 1/32" smaller than the bushing?...however if glue and dowels become necessary, id recommend Titebond.

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  • PrawnHeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Task
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    My original post had options, one of them was for Cyano, one for Gorilla-(I should have specified the foamy type) and elmers white/titebond.




    The right answer is no glue at all.

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  • Task
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    My original post had options, one of them was for Cyano, one for Gorilla-(I should have specified the foamy type) and elmers white/titebond.

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  • Belva
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    Quote Originally Posted by omni
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    What's wrong with gorilla wood glue? I have used it to glue things around the house.




    I too have had great success with it. If all else fails, read the instructions? Maybe use the proper glue for the app?

    Looks like some peeps are bringing a knife to a gun fight and complainin' when they get shot up.

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  • axegrinder
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    Funny how we're arguing about glue when glue isn't advisable for the given application.



    And for a point of clarification the gorilla brand is on more than one type of glue.



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  • Floyd Rosenbomb
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    Quote Originally Posted by omni
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    It is not strong enough?






    Oh it's plenty strong, it swells/expands and because of that, some take issue with it.

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  • omni
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality Check
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    Gorilla **************** is most appropriate on the forest floor of cental Africa.



    As for Gorilla Glue ****************, there are plenty of legitimate uses for fast drying / fast curing polyurethane glues like Gorilla Glue, just not guitars.




    It is not strong enough?

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  • *BLEEP*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratae Coritanorum
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    You know I can't honestly think of anywhere that Gorilla **************** would be appropriate, its ****************ing horrible ****************






    Gorilla **************** is most appropriate on the forest floor of cental Africa.



    As for Gorilla Glue ****************, there are plenty of legitimate uses for fast drying / fast curing polyurethane glues like Gorilla Glue, just not guitars.

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