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  • #16






    Quote Originally Posted by KevinTJH
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    It's one of the new Juniors with the obeche freboard.

    http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Elec...s-Paul-Jr.aspx



    Well maybe I'm a little more concerned about the guitar being hurt. In the event that it did pop out, I'd imagine it would cause a good amount of damage to the guitar.



    When i put pressure on the bridge while a note is played, I don't hear any changes in pitch (I'm assuming the bridge isn't moving).

    I just thought it looked a little odd when comparing it to my other guitar (tune-o-matic).





    But I guess if it's nothing to worry about, I should forget about it. Thanks guys!





    Also, you might notice pink shavings all over my blue Les Paul. Those darn DR Neon strings aren't as durable as they should be!




    IMO coated strings are crap , get some "normal" strings on there , like R Cocco or S.I.T. or whatever , coated strings also mask the highend so it will be like lifting a blanket off that toan machine . Your LP tail does not sit as far back because it's not using screws to adjust the intonation like the wrap tail is , you have bridge tilt perhaps because that it is adjusted futher back makes it tilt more . IME Tonepros locking studs or Faber locking posts will fix and secure it . I have both on my guitars . The Tonepros studs are a quick and easy fix for that .





    Tonepros studs on a mojoaxe wraptail bridge









    Faber studs w/ Faber wraptail bridge
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    • #17
      I'm kind of wondering why a new guitar has to have the bridge back to far in order to intonate. Something seems amiss.
      http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Electric-Guitars/I-smeared-bacon-fat-on-my-strat-now-it-stinks/td-p/16697195

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      • #18






        Quote Originally Posted by fretless
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        Pardon me for saying this, but wouldn't that be identical to what I have on the LP? I thought these had adjustments for individual strings or something.



        Even if I had this installed, wouldn't I still have to push the bridge as far back as it is now and wind up with the same tilt?



        By the way, I really like how you're a fan of single pickup guitars. I think they just look awesome!









        Quote Originally Posted by Into Nation
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        I'm kind of wondering why a new guitar has to have the bridge back to far in order to intonate. Something seems amiss.




        Sigh...Gibson, what have you done this time...

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        • #19






          Quote Originally Posted by KevinTJH
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          Pardon me for saying this, but wouldn't that be identical to what I have on the LP? I thought these had adjustments for individual strings or something.



          Even if I had this installed, wouldn't I still have to push the bridge as far back as it is now and wind up with the same tilt?



          By the way, I really like how you're a fan of single pickup guitars. I think they just look awesome!





          Sigh...Gibson, what have you done this time...




          ok lets address your Les Paul with the bridge and the stop tail ( TOM) , the stop tail is just that , it's not like the wrap around bridge that can be intonated so no it's not like it , but it is like your guitar in the OP (Jr.), being a wrap around bridge . Perhaps it would need to be further back but it would still lock down . Actually without having my hands on it I suspect your setup guy and not so much Gibson but you can check it , measure from the nut to the 12th fret , then measure from the 12'th to the bridge at the break point of the string . Should be the same , or you should be able to adjust to that point . If Gibby is to blame either the nut is waay out of wack or the bridge post holes are in the wrong spot . I doubt it .

          <_<

          >_>



          Thanks man me too , though that red one is a Heritage 137 and has 2 x pups , a P90 in the neck and a Custom SD 'bucker in the bridge
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          • #20
            I'd like to see the nut on this guitar. Also check to see if the 1st fretted notes are in tune.
            http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Electric-Guitars/I-smeared-bacon-fat-on-my-strat-now-it-stinks/td-p/16697195

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            • #21
              looks like the posts should be filled and redrilled a 1/4" back
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              • #22
                Did the OP get this resolved? Kind of curious.
                http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Electric-Guitars/I-smeared-bacon-fat-on-my-strat-now-it-stinks/td-p/16697195

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                • #23






                  Quote Originally Posted by fretless
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                  ... Actually without having my hands on it I suspect your setup guy and not so much Gibson but you can check it , measure from the nut to the 12th fret , then measure from the 12'th to the bridge at the break point of the string . Should be the same , or you should be able to adjust to that point . If Gibby is to blame either the nut is waay out of wack or the bridge post holes are in the wrong spot . I doubt it .

                  <_<

                  >_>



                  Thanks man me too , though that red one is a Heritage 137 and has 2 x pups , a P90 in the neck and a Custom SD 'bucker in the bridge






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                  • #24






                    Quote Originally Posted by dabbler
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                    NO! DO NOT set your intonation by numbers, set it by the 12th fret tuning. Three string type and mass affect where the saddles need to be to intonate, and if you do it by measuring, I guarantee it will be off!




                    it is more complicated then what I suggested but my suggestion was for a quick check, however #'s do matter as it's broken down by scale theoretical *24.625"
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                    • #25






                      Quote Originally Posted by Into Nation
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                      Did the OP get this resolved? Kind of curious.




                      Not sure...I actually started this thread with the idea of getting a "Yes/No" answer, because I flew overseas the day after I started the thread so I won't be seeing my Les Paul for the next 2 weeks or so.



                      The only thing I can do now is to take note of all the advice given here.









                      Quote Originally Posted by fretless
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                      If Gibby is to blame either the nut is waay out of wack or the bridge post holes are in the wrong spot . I doubt it .




                      Aren't LP Juniors notorious for intonation problems? I was prepared to accept that mine would be no exception. In fact my first choice was actually the Billy Joe Signature version with a completely non adjustable bridge (in which I would've imagined to be much worse).





                      As far as I can remember, the notes on the first fret are pretty close to being spot on except for the G-string which is a tiny bit sharp. Overall it's decent enough that I wouldn't notice without playing through a tuner.

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                      • #26






                        Quote Originally Posted by Into Nation
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                        I'd like to see the nut on this guitar.




                        I don't have the guitar with me at the moment, but I did manage to find a photo I took a while ago of the headstock.

                        Not sure if you'll be able to see the nut properly, but here it goes:

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                        • #27






                          Quote Originally Posted by KevinTJH
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                          Not sure...I actually started this thread with the idea of getting a "Yes/No" answer, because I flew overseas the day after I started the thread so I won't be seeing my Les Paul for the next 2 weeks or so.



                          The only thing I can do now is to take note of all the advice given here.





                          Aren't LP Juniors notorious for intonation problems? I was prepared to accept that mine would be no exception. In fact my first choice was actually the Billy Joe Signature version with a completely non adjustable bridge (in which I would've imagined to be much worse).





                          As far as I can remember, the notes on the first fret are pretty close to being spot on except for the G-string which is a tiny bit sharp. Overall it's decent enough that I wouldn't notice without playing through a tuner.




                          The old one are yes as they have a straight non-compensated bridge , it was a tradeoff , you can still get them close enough for rock n roll . There are bridges that fix that like what I used on my LP build , for "offset" post the mojoaxe bridge is a fix for those old ones , yours is already compensated , but it doesn't mean it is correctly compensated . Many have a different "saddle" position for the string , perhaps a different bridge like a Faber or an adjustable one is the way to go . If it were mine I would use some locking posts and depending on how well it intonated I might swap the bridge . I have straight posts on my Heritage and with the Faber "lightning bar" bridge it's right on . I still doubt Gibby screwed up the post location but it can be checked and ruled out which would take you to the next step of swapping bridges if you thought you needed to . I would also suggest you look into how to set up a Gibson , so you can check your techs work . And yeah get some locking posts
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                          • #28
                            Thanks for the tip!









                            Quote Originally Posted by fretless
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                            I would also suggest you look into how to set up a Gibson , so you can check your techs work . And yeah get some locking posts




                            Ironically the Billie Joe Signature model is actually angled further away on the bass side:

                            ,i:101&biw=1280&bih=621" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com.my/imgres?q=bi...w=1280&bih=621



                            Mine, however, is slightly angled further away on the treble side. I can't explain why at all.





                            As for the locking posts, were you referring to something like this?

                            ,i:91&biw=1280&bih=621" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com.my/imgres?q=lo...w=1280&bih=621

                            I can imagine the number of problems it'll solve, but geee these are expensive as hell!

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                            • #29






                              Quote Originally Posted by KevinTJH
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                              Thanks for the tip!





                              Ironically the Billie Joe Signature model is actually angled further away on the bass side:

                              ,i:101&biw=1280&bih=621" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com.my/imgres?q=bi...w=1280&bih=621



                              Mine, however, is slightly angled further away on the treble side. I can't explain why at all.





                              As for the locking posts, were you referring to something like this?

                              ,i:91&biw=1280&bih=621" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com.my/imgres?q=lo...w=1280&bih=621

                              I can imagine the number of problems it'll solve, but geee these are expensive as hell!




                              I don't know what is going on, but I don't think I've ever seen that before...
                              http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Electric-Guitars/I-smeared-bacon-fat-on-my-strat-now-it-stinks/td-p/16697195

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                              • #30






                                Quote Originally Posted by Into Nation
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                                I don't know what is going on, but I don't think I've ever seen that before...




                                I'm assuming all standard LP Juniors have the bridges parallel to the neck of the guitar. Mine is just slightly angled (further away) on the treble side as that was the only way to intonate the guitar properly. It's only very slight and not very noticeable but I'm guessing that's uncommon?

                                I'm not sure if I'm making any sense here.

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