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Tom Anderson vs. Suhr: Let's start the year with a debate!

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  • #91






    Quote Originally Posted by fretless
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    An instrument / luthier company ?




    yeah.
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    • #92






      Quote Originally Posted by Mark Wein
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      yeah.




      Cool , All the best to him and yeah details when it happens !
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      • #93






        Quote Originally Posted by fretless
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        Cool , All the best to him and yeah details when it happens !






        will do! I'm pretty excited about it and I think he'll do a great job...I'm just a very impatient person, even after ordering two Suhrs
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        • #94
          Haven't played either and probably never will. I think that they look fantastic and I've heard great examples of both in the hands of gifted players. If I was shopping right now and had to pick it would probably be a Suhr because I like some of their configurations better, but if I had two of the exact same designs to choose from in front of me I'd have to pick which one jived with me better.



          So basically I provided no useful information. I do think that it's funny when people judge something based on zero personal experience or a very limited sample pool.
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          • #95






            Quote Originally Posted by Steadfastly
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            Skip, that wasn't a fair test and you used different amps for the two guitars. I liked the $250.00 PRS on three and one was tied with the Anderson but to be fair, you need to have the same song, same amp, same settings, etc. to be able to compare. I agree that most of the tone is in the amp, though. And, BTW, nice playing!




            Here you go. It's as close to apples & apples as I can get.



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            • #96
              I'd just go Carvin, too

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              • #97






                Quote Originally Posted by axegrinder
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                Well this sounds like a great topic for the next HCEG Argument Thread Series.



                What you say sounds easy on paper...if you use the same magnets, bobbins, base plates, wire, and same number of winds you should have the same result. But as Smorg's logic explains, if it was that easy, none of the hand makers would survive. I won't even touch why that is the case. It has no bearing on the Suhr vs Anderson debate.




                How do you know they don't? You might be surprised if you took apart the coils and looked at them. Of course, no one is going to go to that expense on their own just to prove a point and sure as snow is white the manufacturers are not going to tell you. They want everyone to think that their brand is the best. Am I cynical? Yes. I've been around awhile and have been fed a lot of baloney even by companies that I worked for. How many parts are there in a coil anyway? There's not that many different ways of building them that they are all that different except for the number of winds and the winding pattern.
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                • #98




                  I think the better brains is...are your brains a brains?





                  Now that we've had our bit of corksniffery, can we get back to important questions like: Agile or Xaviere?





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                  • #99






                    Quote Originally Posted by Steadfastly
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                    How do you know they don't? You might be surprised if you took apart the coils and looked at them. Of course, no one is going to go to that expense on their own just to prove a point and sure as snow is white the manufacturers are not going to tell you. They want everyone to think that their brand is the best. Am I cynical? Yes. I've been around awhile and have been fed a lot of baloney even by companies that I worked for. How many parts are there in a coil anyway? There's not that many different ways of building them that they are all that different except for the number of winds and the winding pattern.






                    I look forward to your forthcoming line of pickups.



                    If it was as easy as you say it is then there would be many more people making them. The fact is, I know people who have made guitars but none of them have made their pickups.
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                    • Quote Originally Posted by smorgdonkey
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                      I look forward to your forthcoming line of pickups.




                      Will you do the marketing for me? Regards, Steadfastly
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                      • Quote Originally Posted by smorgdonkey
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                        I look forward to your forthcoming line of pickups.



                        If it was as easy as you say it is then there would be many more people making them. The fact is, I know people who have made guitars but none of them have made their pickups.




                        I know a dude that did. Bryan, something or other.. Pickups ain't rocket science. They're fairly simple devices. It's the minutia that sets great builders apart from everyone else.
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                        • Metallurgy is materials science , you can use what is already made for you or you can make your own Like Seymour Duncan if you have the skill .
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                          • Quote Originally Posted by LesPaulFetish
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                            Took a look; do they all have zero frets?




                            Yes they do, but if that worries you, not to bother. You do not even know it is there.
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                            • Quote Originally Posted by mosiddiqi
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                              They're both great guitars, I prefer the Suhr..just a feel thing..here's a quick vid with my S4 I did this morning..just warming up wankage






                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAqRFWcKS68




                              Thanks for the video. Guitar looks nice as hell.









                              Quote Originally Posted by xrleroyx
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                              I've always wanted a Suhr. Anderson's don't appeal to me but I'd give one a go. I don't think I deserve either yet. I plan on buying a very nice guitar within the next few years but honestly, I don't think I could really use it to its full potential.




                              HAHA! I agree. My playing skill is Fender MIM, but hey we can all wish for stuff that's better than us!









                              Quote Originally Posted by rock-lobster
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                              Let me translate. I think music can have plenty of soul. A guitar, hell no. It either sounds good for what you do or it doesn't, and in either case it's your call how much soul you put into the music from there. I just can't stand when people say something like "it played and sounded good but had no mojo." IMO if it played and sounded good it's you who has no mojo




                              I agree with Rock. Soul, vibe, mojo is not in the instrument, it's in the individual. If you gave me a Santana PRS right now and gave Santana my Squier, I promise he will have much better soul and mojo than I will.









                              Quote Originally Posted by smorgdonkey
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                              I think it comes down to being inspired by the feeling of the instrument in your hands. So, like most other things guitar-related, it comes down to personal preference.





                              Pickups are not easy to replicate. Ask anyone who has ever made a set. Ask Jason Lollar what he thinks...ask Bryan Gunsher if he thinks his product could be 'easily replicated' or Jim Wagner. Maybe Lindy Fralin. Ask them all and report back with what you find.



                              ...and finally, IF pickups were easily replicated, I'd have no brand name pickups at all because they would have been replicated by the companies that sell them cheap and I would have bought them all from there.




                              Of course pickups are easy to replicate. Drop a set of GFS into your Squier and it will sound like Fender Custom Shop









                              Quote Originally Posted by mosiddiqi
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                              Thanks! ...look, I have a Squier Classic Vibe 60's Strat that I like a lot too, and my main guitar for years has been a Fender USA Standard..nothing particularly fancy there. But, there are a number of details on the Suhr that just make it work best for me. Apart from the excellent hardware and electrics (which could all be modded for sure on a cheaper guitar), there is the compound radius neck (again, if I was building a parts-caster from scratch, this is easy enough)..but the hardest thing to quantify is the "feel"....the Suhr just "feels" better than anything else I've played. For me, it has TONS of what people call "mojo"...but you might pick it up and think "what's the big deal?..it's just a nice Strat".



                              Price wise, in the UK, it cost about the same as a lower end Fender Custom shop..and frankly, was in a different class to any of those I tried..much more resonant and lively sounding. That's why I bought it.




                              I have always felt that when you pay a high price tag for a quality instruments, it's the feel that separates that instrument from the rest. In all honesty, finding great feel is not easy, and it does not come cheap. No matter how much I might mod my Squier, it will always feel heavy and clunky.





                              So to take it a step further, do you guys think a MIA Fender Deluxe would be the "poor man's" version of a Tom Anderson classic or Suhr S-Style guitar? $1500 for the Fender is certainly much cheaper and more realistic than $2100-$2300 for a Suhr/Tom Anderson. But does the MIA come close to giving you what the Suhr and Tom Anderson give? Playability? Feel? Quality of wood? 1-piece body? etc.
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                              • By the way, for what's it worth, I like the Tom Anderson headstock and logo much more than the Suhr. Therefore, with no experience, and never having even touched one of these guitars, I proclaim Tom Anderson to THE BEST! haha
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