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  • #46






    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Jeff
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    A guitar teacher with with a solid reputation and some experience is the easy way to do it right. Learning from books and self-teaching is the hard way to do it right. Every other way is teeming with 'wrong' elements. I'm trying to not be a hater on here anymore, but things like Rocksmith do potential musicians a disservice by presenting themselves as a legitimate way to learn the guitar.




    I've picked up more on Rocksmith than I did in several years of book learnin' and several months of lessons.



    So anything involving a computer that teaches you how to play the guitar is illegitimate? I guess that rules out MP3s as well.



    Grumpy old man needs to go back to learning by ear on vinyl.
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    • #47






      Quote Originally Posted by Grantus
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      I've picked up more on Rocksmith than I did in several years of book learnin' and several months of lessons.



      So anything involving a computer that teaches you how to play the guitar is illegitimate? I guess that rules out MP3s as well.



      Grumpy old man needs to go back to learning by ear on vinyl.




      Whatever works for you. But saying that you've found a shortcut that's better than the 'old way' is BS. It might be better for you right now, but it's not better for everyone all the time.



      Here's why: it's not as hard. Difficulty requires effort, effort triggers concentration, concentration and repetition triggers deep learning. If you are not working hard, and feeling like you are working hard, then you are not gaining as much as you think you are. That's true in guitar playing as it is in picking up any other skill or area of knowledge.



      The exception I make (for myself) is when I get 'stuck' and hard work is leading to no gains. At that point a change of scene or a toy or something superficial and fun can break a block. But it's not the same as knuckling down.
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      • #48






        Quote Originally Posted by cheezit66
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        Whatever works for you. But saying that you've found a shortcut that's better than the 'old way' is BS. It might be better for you right now, but it's not better for everyone all the time.



        Here's why: it's not as hard. Difficulty requires effort, effort triggers concentration, concentration and repetition triggers deep learning. If you are not working hard, and feeling like you are working hard, then you are not gaining as much as you think you are. That's true in guitar playing as it is in picking up any other skill or area of knowledge.



        The exception I make (for myself) is when I get 'stuck' and hard work is leading to no gains. At that point a change of scene or a toy or something superficial and fun can break a block. But it's not the same as knuckling down.




        I don't think I've said that Rocksmith is better than other methods for "everyone all the time." For me, it's been very helpful to get me to play along with songs and stick to a practice regime.



        In some ways, its been better for me than other methods I've tried. It's a legitimate way to practice guitar, contrary to what some other posters have claimed.



        I disagree with your contention that playing guitar should be hard work. If there are tools that make guitar a little bit easier, why not use them? At this point in my life, I want guitar playing to be fun, not work.
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        • #49
          Well that bites.



          I just bought Rocksmith for our Xbox, arrived last night.



          Was counting on it being the guaranteed-successful shortcut to fame and fortune, not to mention guitar heroics. I've been checking out private islands for sale while waiting for it to arrive.



          Now you're telling me that it won't work?!



          I have little money and less time. If this **************** doesn't work, I give up.



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          • #50






            Quote Originally Posted by Rex Machete
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            My friend owns the game and I think it's pretty fun despite its flaws. I've learned how to pick up songs by ear for the most part, but I'm not often motivated to sit down and just learn a whole song. Turning practice into a game makes it a lot easier to learn things, but I would still call Rocksmith a game first and a practice aid second.

            Another fringe benefit would be that the game introduces you to genres and playing styles you might not usually pay attention to and forces you to give it a go, which should be beneficial for any guitarist.

            I'd like to see what other sort of games like this come out that blur the line between entertainment and actual skill-building. It can only get more interesting from here.




            I agree,



            I've usually slacked off on learning the whole song, like solo and bridge and outro and between verses. This game pushed me a bit harder to do so.



            And it did actually push me to play styles I have never worked hard on before, and introduced me to some new music.



            Having any software that can detect what you play is the first step, next I think they need something a little more geared towards players that shows statistics on your playing and what you did wrong. Would be good for vocals too, sometimes I know some note is off pitch but can't isolate it.

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            • #51
              I have Rocksmith for the XBOX and I can say it has improved my playing. It got me playing styles of music I hadn't played before and really pushed me to try and learn solo's note for note. The speed of my playing has gone up since I started playing the game and it introduced me to some new ideas that I've incorporated into my own playing.



              I have learned songs by ear before. However, with the new Rush songs they added, there were nuances in how the chords were played that I missed when learning by ear, but I can now tell the difference in how much those little changes in how the chords are played impact how the song sounds. The way I played it by ear was certainly good enough for anyone familiar with the song to recognize it, but the way Rocksmith is teaching me to play the song sounds almost spot on.



              Saying Rocksmith is a good learning tool for some isn't a knock on any other method of learning. I've taken years of lessons and would encourage anyone who wants to improve their playing to work with a good guitar teacher. Rocksmith certainly isn't a substitute for the knowledge a good guitar teacher can impart. However, it is a great motivational tool to get you playing your guitar and actually learning a song note for note. Plus, it's fun.



              There are many things that could be improved with Rocksmith and I hope are in a second version. My pet peeve is how it handles arppegios. I'd love for it to show the actual chord above the single notes. This would help with learning several of the songs that come with the game.



              I'm an IT professional, which means I've got money but don't have time. Rocksmith gets me playing with the limited time I have and that is a good thing.

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              • #52
                I do like the idea of the game, but there is one MAJOR flaw - NO TEMPO CONTROL!! I'm a beginning guitarist, so my sight reading / note location skills are not very good right now, so I was hoping I would be able to slow down a song to half speed and learn it SLOWLY. Instead Rocksmith makes you dive head first into a song at full speed, and then will take away / add notes depending on how you're doing!



                When sight reading a song, because its going so fast (to me at least) I end up hitting TONS of wrong notes, start to stress out, grip the guitar harder, etc when playing through a song for the first time. Over the course of 3-4 play throughs of the song know it enough to pass, but I still make TONS of mistakes. Talk about learning bad habits!! The correct way to practice would be to take the song slow, very VERY slow, play it perfectly, and then slowly increase the speed until its at tempo. This way your muscles are learning it correctly, not learning bad habits / wrong notes, and you slowly add speed.



                So though I think its a fun game to play, I'm actually worried it might be doing more harm than good! Though the lessons in the technique section are VERY well put together (videos explaining the techniques, real time feedback if you're doing them correctly, etc) they explain the different guitar techniques quite well IMO. I just wish there was speed control when practicing a song!! How is that not in there?!
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                • #53
                  I'm not going to bother quoting, but this is a reply to those who have quoted me. Learn however you want if it gets the job done. If you think Rocksmith gives you more than the lessons/book learnin' method than you're either taking lessons with the wrong teacher or reading the wrong books (or reading those books with a cursory eye). The best players I know all had more than a few teachers and solid foundations in theory. I'll clarify by saying that by "the best" I mean those with the most sheer technical ability. I know lots of uneducated musicians who rip it up damn fine though.



                  Oh, and just for the record, if you're going to call someone wrong, you should at least type a few words about why they're wrong.

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                  • #54






                    Quote Originally Posted by LGK_Dude
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                    I do like the idea of the game, but there is one MAJOR flaw - NO TEMPO CONTROL!! I'm a beginning guitarist, so my sight reading / note location skills are not very good right now, so I was hoping I would be able to slow down a song to half speed and learn it SLOWLY. Instead Rocksmith makes you dive head first into a song at full speed, and then will take away / add notes depending on how you're doing!




                    Perhaps it has been a while since you've tried the game, but an update came out a while back that allows you to select your speed and mastery level in the riff repeater and replay it as much as you want. I've been using it to master the intro to Plug In Baby. It works well.



                    You can't slow down the whole song, but it's probably better to tackle it in chunks anyway.

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                    • #55






                      Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Jeff
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                      If you think Rocksmith gives you more than the lessons/book learnin' method than you're either taking lessons with the wrong teacher or reading the wrong books (or reading those books with a cursory eye).




                      No one ever said that. That is a strawman you've created to justify your assault on Rocksmith and tout your way of doing things as the objective "right."

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                      • #56






                        Quote Originally Posted by Grantus
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                        I disagree with your contention that playing guitar should be hard work.




                        Playing the guitar once you have enough skill to do what you want is blissfully easy. Getting that skill is hard. If all you want is to play cowboy chords (which is totally fine) then maybe the hard phase doesn't last that long.



                        We live in a get-rich-quick world with movie stars who are famous for being famous, singers who can't sing, and people who buy 'herbal viagra'---just a whole lot of people getting suckered by something-for-nothing, shortcuts and instant solutions. I don't believe that real life works that way. So for me, I view playing as a craft.



                        If Rocksmith works for you, awesome. If it really helps that much, then you'll outgrow it, and then you'll need to figure out where to go next.
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                        • #57






                          Quote Originally Posted by cheezit66
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                          If Rocksmith works for you, awesome. If it really helps that much, then you'll outgrow it, and then you'll need to figure out where to go next.




                          I'm not sure what your point is.



                          I'm in my mid-40s, I've been playing guitar for about 10 years and never advanced much beyond the late beginner stage for several reasons: other commitments, lack of focus, etc. etc. Rocksmith has me playing and practicing a lot more than I ever did in the past.



                          At this point in my life, I'm not particularly interested in in-depth study of music theory or becoming a highly technical player. I'd settle for becoming a competent guitar player. I figure that anything that keeps me playing regularly is a good thing.
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                          • #58
                            ^^^

                            What he said.
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                            • #59






                              Quote Originally Posted by Grantus
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                              I'm not sure what your point is.



                              I'm in my mid-40s, I've been playing guitar for about 10 years and never advanced much beyond the late beginner stage for several reasons: other commitments, lack of focus, etc. etc. Rocksmith has me playing and practicing a lot more than I ever did in the past.



                              At this point in my life, I'm not particularly interested in in-depth study of music theory or becoming a highly technical player. I'd settle for becoming a competent guitar player. I figure that anything that keeps me playing regularly is a good thing.




                              And I'm not sure what your point is. It works for you? Great, as I said, that's awesome. My beef is with the idea that it is automatically better than other ways to learn because it's new and fancy and game-ified. It might be faster for some people at some skill levels to learn some songs. Sounds like that's a good fit for where you are.



                              I'm also not a spring chicken but I started when i was maybe 15 and have played pretty much every day since, even though now I have a ton of obligations (including a fulltime+++ job and homeschooling two kids). So I'm just coming at this whole thing from a different place.
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                              • #60






                                Quote Originally Posted by Grantus
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                                I'm not sure what your point is.



                                I'm in my mid-40s, I've been playing guitar for about 10 years and never advanced much beyond the late beginner stage for several reasons: other commitments, lack of focus, etc. etc. Rocksmith has me playing and practicing a lot more than I ever did in the past.



                                At this point in my life, I'm not particularly interested in in-depth study of music theory or becoming a highly technical player. I'd settle for becoming a competent guitar player. I figure that anything that keeps me playing regularly is a good thing.




                                And I'm not sure what your point is. It works for you? Great, as I said, that's awesome. My beef is with the idea that it is automatically better than other ways to learn because it's new and fancy and game-ified. It might be faster for some people at some skill levels to learn some songs. Sounds like that's a good fit for where you are.



                                I'm also not a spring chicken but I started when i was maybe 15 and have played pretty much every day since, even though now I have a ton of obligations (including a fulltime+++ job and homeschooling two kids). So I'm just coming at this whole thing from a different place.
                                Check out my gear, rigs and soundclips at http://www.rigscope.com!

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