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  • #16
    Easiest thing to do is call Gibson and have them confirm the serial number.

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    • #17
      Easiest thing to do is call Gibson and have them confirm the serial number.

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      • #18
        Plenty of fake Epi's out there. Why? B/c new price on some are $700-900, and you could build a lower quality fake for $200 or less (probably $100 with enough volume production).



        Is yours fake? I'm no expert, so I won't judge. If you bought it with proper documentation or confirmed with Epiphone that the serial number is one for an Ace, then you're probably ok.



        I've heard stories of GC taking in fakes on trade without knowing they were fake, and then selling to the public.



        Best you can do, with instrument in hand, is take it apart. Check the pickups, see what kind of wood is in the pickup cavity. (if it's painted in a shielding paint, see if that's normal - usually a good way to hide that it's not a full maple top or they used plywood for the body).
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        • #19
          Plenty of fake Epi's out there. Why? B/c new price on some are $700-900, and you could build a lower quality fake for $200 or less (probably $100 with enough volume production).



          Is yours fake? I'm no expert, so I won't judge. If you bought it with proper documentation or confirmed with Epiphone that the serial number is one for an Ace, then you're probably ok.



          I've heard stories of GC taking in fakes on trade without knowing they were fake, and then selling to the public.



          Best you can do, with instrument in hand, is take it apart. Check the pickups, see what kind of wood is in the pickup cavity. (if it's painted in a shielding paint, see if that's normal - usually a good way to hide that it's not a full maple top or they used plywood for the body).
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          • #20






            Quote Originally Posted by ashtray
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            Plenty of fake Epi's out there. Why? B/c new price on some are $700-900, and you could build a lower quality fake for $200 or less (probably $100 with enough volume production).



            Is yours fake? I'm no expert, so I won't judge. If you bought it with proper documentation or confirmed with Epiphone that the serial number is one for an Ace, then you're probably ok.



            I've heard stories of GC taking in fakes on trade without knowing they were fake, and then selling to the public.



            Best you can do, with instrument in hand, is take it apart. Check the pickups, see what kind of wood is in the pickup cavity. (if it's painted in a shielding paint, see if that's normal - usually a good way to hide that it's not a full maple top or they used plywood for the body).




            you think epips cost $200 for them to make? I bet it's more like $75 on the boat, if that.

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            • #21






              Quote Originally Posted by DaleH
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              you think epips cost $200 for them to make? I bet it's more like $75 on the boat, if that.




              Considering the cost of labor where they're made, I'm thinking less than 25 North American $'s
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              • #22
                ^^^ could be...

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                • #23
                  Looks fine to me. They weren't as good at replicas 13 years ago and the new ones are still pretty easy to spot
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                  • #24
                    Good idea to check the serial, but I've also heard the forgers use real serials.



                    I bought it used off an HC ad.
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                    • #25






                      Quote Originally Posted by 4thought
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                      Good idea to check the serial, but I've also heard the forgers use real serials.



                      I bought it used off an HC ad.




                      I had a fake LP Supreme. Serial number was the same as the real deal. Back of the pickups were even stamped Gibson USA like the real thing. Even had the right bridge posts and 2 screw engraved truss rod cover. Looking inside the body at the woods used and the wiring were dead giveaways though.
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                      • #26






                        Quote Originally Posted by GCDEF
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                        I have no idea, but faking an Epiphone doesn't make sense when it's just as easy to fake a Gibson and sell it for 5 times the price.




                        That's what I used to think. Then I went to* some of those Chinese fake sites. There are TONS of fake Epi's.











                        *note-- not to buy, I have no interest in abetting thieves
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                        • #27
                          You want to post your pics in this thread:



                          http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/epip...thread-ii.html



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                          • #28
                            What's also interesting, is from doing a little research, there's at least 3 different models over the years: a Budokan with square inserts and a normal Custom logo; a model with the Ace picture and all "Kiss S" inlays, and a model with the Ace picture, Kiss Ss, and the Ace Frehley signature inlay on the 12th fret.



                            I'm not sure if the logo being slightly off is a big giveaway (it could just be a manufacturing defect), but the wiring looked a little odd. That said, I haven't opened my Epi Les Paul in a while to see what the wiring looked like.

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                            • #29
                              Who cares about Epi? Fake or real
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                              • #30
                                Try and find if the tuning keys have that blatant seam on other models. Whatever it is it looks like one fine Les Paul. Some fake epis are from former Epiphone plants. So the luthiers there may even have improved when starting to make fakes. As long as the components are good...
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