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Can't keep in tune when using the Fender vintage tremolo

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  • #16
    This guitar is a re-issue of 1962 model. I hear it constantly that older Strat tremolo designs were infamous for not staying in tune. And the OP says he's had the nut worked on by a pro, and the OP has already been using that nut lube product, so the nut doesn't seem the LIKELY culprit.

    So, anybody else for thinking that prob is in the trem design itself?
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    • #17


      THANKS! I gotta try this method. I never use the trem bar, but bend strings a lot. Usually I don't have tuning problems, but I'll set up one of my strats like this and keep the bar in, and see how it works. From the video though, it's tough to argue with his results!
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      • #18


        dang Richie Blackmore's techie ?
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        • #19


          That guy was insane. From 0:35-0:40 it was whammy madness and
          it was pretty much spot on when it was done.
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          • #20


            Had to watch the video a second time, couldn't believe the abuse he was
            giving it and it was in better tune than I've ever seen a standard strat have.
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            • #21


              amazing...
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              • #22


                Yeah, I've seen this video and this definitely works if you are into current Mark Knopfler type of music where you very seldom bend. But the moment you bend your entire set up is out of whack, meaning that your ENTIRE solo is out of tune, simply because you can't use the whammy every 3 seconds.

                I'll give you asimple example - the riff to Are You Gonna Go My way features that bend on the G string to begin the sequence. How in the world are you going to play that in tune with this method?!?

                Very clever in theory but useless when put to practice in solo situations (or in fact in any situation where you need a simple bend).

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                • #23
                  Really, your only solution is graphite nut/string trees, and locking tuners.

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                  • #24
                    This guitar is a re-issue of 1962 model. I hear it constantly that older Strat tremolo designs were infamous for not staying in tune. And the OP says he's had the nut worked on by a pro, and the OP has already been using that nut lube product, so the nut doesn't seem the LIKELY culprit.

                    So, anybody else for thinking that prob is in the trem design itself?


                    I've got a 62 reissue and I use the trem alot and it stays in tune really well.

                    There goes the design argument.

                    The only way to keep it in tune is to set it up correctly. I agree with loosening the 4 inner screws and making sure the nut is cut right.
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                    • #25
                      Yeah, that video shows a great technique if you don't use any bends, but doing it that way never worked for me because I constantly bend notes.

                      The only way I've gotten it even close was with a set of staggered locking tuners, removing the string trees and working the nut until it's perfect. No more than 50% of the string should be buried in any nut slot or else it will lead to binding.

                      After doing all that I do my standard tuning/spring tension technique using a block to make sure that the balance is perfect.

                      It still goes out of tune a bit if I wail on it like a madman, but a quick tug on the low E string and it usually pops right in. I have no idea why it's that string after battleing the G string for years, but that's the one that likes to go sharp on me now.
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                      • #26

                        After doing all that I do my standard tuning/spring tension technique using a block to make sure that the balance is perfect.
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                        Mind sharing this technique in detail?

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                        • #27
                          I recently posted a new series of video in which I cover how to mod a strat in all its parts to achieve a perfect tuning stability, including solving the bending problem. Maybe you could find this interesting.

                          I am not sure i can post the link here but I try:

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgfMyJ76p4o
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                          • #28
                            I've always had problems with standard Fender trems and stability. A couple of years back I replaced the standard trem with a Wilkinson trem - that has the bevel on the base plate in a difference place from the fender unit. Suddenly I can use the trem and tuning is stable.

                            But yes, I agree with all the comments about a properly cut nut (I don't trust 'pros' - had to fix too many 'pro setup' issues). The 2 outer screws on the trem should be wound down to touch the base plate then backed off 1/4 turn. The 4 inner ones should be wound out an additional 1/2 turn. Make sure strings are pre-stretched and the ball ends firmly seated in the trem block: this is also why bullet-ends were invented, because they can move around as tension changes.
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                            • #29
                              I recently posted a new series of video in which I cover how to mod a strat in all its parts to achieve a perfect tuning stability, including solving the bending problem. Maybe you could find this interesting.

                              I am not sure i can post the link here but I try:

                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgfMyJ76p4o


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                              • #30
                                I never have any problems but what I do see on the older style strats is not enough spring tension on the claw. On my Anderson and on a newer mexi I use only three springs. But on a 62 I use 4.
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