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  • You could maybe put electrical tape over gibson and list it as a Chinese Les Paul style guitar if you still want to sell it?
    Let a buyer play it before they judge it based on where it was made and what it says on the headstock.


    EXACTLY. Just list the ad with tape over the headstock and say "This is a Chinese made Les Paul shaped replica that someone has taken the liberty to put the name of a well known manufactuer that starts with a "G" on the headstock..... take the tape off if you like, or leave it on if it bothers you."

    Your guitar will sell for what it would anyway..... and lowers the chance of the "proudly made in the U S of A" patriots to contact you with threats of ransackng your trash and raping your cat if you don't cease and desist.

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    • EXACTLY. Just list the ad with tape over the headstock and say "This is a Chinese made Les Paul shaped replica that someone has taken the liberty to put the name of a well known manufactuer that starts with a "G" on the headstock..... take the tape off if you like, or leave it on if it bothers you."

      Your guitar will sell for what it would anyway..... and lowers the chance of the "proudly made in the U S of A" patriots to contact you with threats of ransackng your trash and raping your cat if you don't cease and desist.


      That would work... unless someone who doesn't like it, has no intention of buying it, wants to defend Gibson's "honor" or just wants to come back here and start a thread bragging about how he saved all beginning guitarists, flags the ad just to be a prick.

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      • eh?? someone stole your idealogy? faked capitalism?? copy communism??

        Chinese copied porcelain???? The Chinese invented porcelain around the Han Dynasty (206-220 AD).
        During the 19th century some European porcelain manufacturers were producing high-level replicas of Chinese porcelain, which are difficult to distinguish from the Chinese originals.



        God I love the Internet.




        Did they teach you this line of argument too?


        First -Idealogy isnt the topic..counterfeiting is. If youre ant-communist then thats your deal> If anything this counterfeiting is coming from a capitalist mentality and has been going on before Marx was born.
        Second -You are confusing the invention of porcelian with products created from it. In the 1750's the English made big strides in their production and quality of porcelain "china". Soon the French followed suit. Staffordshire porcelain and "limoges" later would become considered the finest in the world. The chinese began making knockoffs soon thereafter. Ironically some of the early chinese fake "Staffordshire" porcelain is now considered more collectable than the original. To this day the chinese still create counterfeit "ENGLISH and FRENCH" porcelain.
        Third -Yes the west has also produced fake Ming vases. Given the history of counterfeiting between the east and west, its no surprise the Chinese government "winks" when fake Gibson's are made.

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        • Second -You are confusing the invention of porcelian with products created from it. In the 1750's the English made big strides in their production and quality of porcelain "china". Soon the French followed suit. Staffordshire porcelain and "limoges" later would become considered the finest in the world. The chinese began making knockoffs soon thereafter. Ironically some of the early chinese fake "Staffordshire" porcelain is now considered more collectable than the original. To this day the chinese still create counterfeit "ENGLISH and FRENCH" porcelain.


          No he's not.....he's saying the chinese invented all those things...bowls vases etc...and Europeans copied those ideas....




          this was made around 100 BC..



          and this was made around year 700




          Just because western countries went on to make great china doesn't mean they didn't copy it in the first place.

          The chinese were making porcelain "stuff"...when Europeans were eating out of cast iron..

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          • First -Idealogy isnt the topic..counterfeiting is. If youre ant-communist then thats your deal> If anything this counterfeiting is coming from a capitalist mentality and has been going on before Marx was born.
            Second -You are confusing the invention of porcelian with products created from it. In the 1750's the English made big strides in their production and quality of porcelain "china". Soon the French followed suit. Staffordshire porcelain and "limoges" later would become considered the finest in the world. The chinese began making knockoffs soon thereafter. Ironically some of the early chinese fake "Staffordshire" porcelain is now considered more collectable than the original. To this day the chinese still create counterfeit "ENGLISH and FRENCH" porcelain.
            Third -Yes the west has also produced fake Ming vases. Given the history of counterfeiting between the east and west, its no surprise the Chinese government "winks" when fake Gibson's are made.


            First - I was referring to your possible misuse of the phrase "idealogical property" in place of the more common "intellectual property". It was a joke, but i forgot to put LOL after it so I apologise. It has nothing to do with my politics.
            Second - I am not confusing anything. The origins of porcelain and its first range of products are firmly Chinese irrespective of many attempts to fake it centuries later.
            Third - you are right - very popular to fake in the 19th century Europe. And yes, faking has gone on ever since the first man made something someone else wanted.
            Rules for a Happy Life:
            Never attribute to malice, that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
            I am happy with who I am. You do not have to like me.





            Originally Posted by aenemated
            doc always has been and always will be. He behaves as if he is 18 years old with worlds of wisdom



            6 senses, 5 cables, 4 different coloured guitars, 3 amps, 2 pedals, 1 footswitch.
            Statutory Disclaimer: Any advice I may give is ill-informed and is to be treated with the utmost suspicion.

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            • The chinese were making porcelain "stuff"...when Europeans were eating out of cast iron..


              As an interesting piece of perspective, when King Henry 8th married any one of his many wives, the bride and groom wore no underwear, had not ever bathed in their lives and the wedding banquet was salted cold fish most likely eaten off plates made from coarse bread. Attendees would have worn bouquets of herbs and flowers to disguise the smell.

              Simultaneously, the reigning Chinese Emperor was dining on a range of fish, fowl and meats, spiced and seasoned with pepper, on plates made from fine porcelain, dressed from head to to in silk, his wives and concubines also wore silks and were doused in perfumes from the Arabs. Everyone had been bathed, massaged and manicured on a daily basis.

              I mention this simply to point out that evolution of societies is a complex business and it is unusual for every one to be at the same stage at the same time. The same is true of invention. And fakery.
              Rules for a Happy Life:
              Never attribute to malice, that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
              I am happy with who I am. You do not have to like me.





              Originally Posted by aenemated
              doc always has been and always will be. He behaves as if he is 18 years old with worlds of wisdom



              6 senses, 5 cables, 4 different coloured guitars, 3 amps, 2 pedals, 1 footswitch.
              Statutory Disclaimer: Any advice I may give is ill-informed and is to be treated with the utmost suspicion.

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              • As an interesting piece of perspective, when King Henry 8th married any one of his many wives, the bride and groom wore no underwear, had not ever bathed in their lives and the wedding banquet was salted cold fish most likely eaten off plates made from coarse bread. Attendees would have worn bouquets of herbs and flowers to disguise the smell.

                Simultaneously, the reigning Chinese Emperor was dining on a range of fish, fowl and meats, spiced and seasoned with pepper, on plates made from fine porcelain, dressed from head to to in silk, his wives and concubines also wore silks and were doused in perfumes from the Arabs. Everyone had been bathed, massaged and manicured on a daily basis.

                I mention this simply to point out that evolution of societies is a complex business and it is unusual for every one to be at the same stage at the same time. The same is true of invention. And fakery.


                that is very interesting. Have you read Guns Germs and Steel? It talks about possible factors that caused certain areas of the world develop technology faster than other areas.

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                • An interesting article I read in an English language, Chinese newspaper pointed out that the high points of chinese culture and influence coincide very well with high temperatures on Earth. Global warming increases rainfall in Mongolia and central China allowing rice and other food production to increas and the general prosperity of China rises dramatically.

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                  • An interesting article I read in an English language, Chinese newspaper pointed out that the high points of chinese culture and influence coincide very well with high temperatures on Earth. Global warming increases rainfall in Mongolia and central China allowing rice and other food production to increas and the general prosperity of China rises dramatically.



                    dangerously away from topic but....

                    It is interesting that when the basic needs of a people are taken care of (food, shelter, security, etc) then inventiveness prospers.

                    My wifes family come from Sichuan Chengdu in SW China. Surrounded by mountains, fresh water and very high grade arable resources, they have always been inventors and have a 7000 year history of such on the archaeological record.
                    They are also known nationwide for having a more shall we say "Spanish" attitude to work than other provinces and life has been relatively easy. The downside is that they have a Latin temperament to go with it.
                    Rules for a Happy Life:
                    Never attribute to malice, that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
                    I am happy with who I am. You do not have to like me.





                    Originally Posted by aenemated
                    doc always has been and always will be. He behaves as if he is 18 years old with worlds of wisdom



                    6 senses, 5 cables, 4 different coloured guitars, 3 amps, 2 pedals, 1 footswitch.
                    Statutory Disclaimer: Any advice I may give is ill-informed and is to be treated with the utmost suspicion.

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                    • First - I was referring to your possible misuse of the phrase "idealogical property" in place of the more common "intellectual property". It was a joke, but i forgot to put LOL after it so I apologise. It has nothing to do with my politics.
                      Second - I am not confusing anything. The origins of porcelain and its first range of products are firmly Chinese irrespective of many attempts to fake it centuries later.
                      Third - you are right - very popular to fake in the 19th century Europe. And yes, faking has gone on ever since the first man made something someone else wanted.


                      Yes my pun wasnt noticed -"idealogical" instead of "intellectual". Thats the risk you take with puns. My remark about the chinese faking of western "china" was directed at the use of the GIBSON logo. Gibson didnt invent the guitar. Does that mean any guitar they make is a "FAKE"?? Hardly.Theft of a brandname is intentional deceit. The chinese fake a plethora of stuff and use the brandnames.

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                      • How did I read this entire thread and there's NOT ONE picture of this guitar?
                        I've got guitars

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                        • Yes my pun wasnt noticed - Gibson didnt invent the guitar. Does that mean any guitar they make is a "FAKE"??


                          Research is now inclined that the Chinese actually invented the stringed instrument that would later become the guitar. It seems it was either them or that it has middle east origins.

                          The world is a curious place.

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                          • How did I read this entire thread and there's NOT ONE picture of this guitar?


                            You don't need a pic to troll.
                            HCGB Trooper #24

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                            • Sometimes it's fun to just read the first and last pages in a thread like this to see where things end up, but not neccessarily how.

                              Like from this thread, I can now surmise that it's OK for the Chinese (and assumably the OP) to sell a counterfeit guitar because the Chinese may or may not have invented stringed instruments, but definitely invented porcelain, which the Europeans then stole.

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                              • Sometimes it's fun to just read the first and last pages in a thread like this to see where things end up, but not neccessarily how.

                                Like from this thread, I can now surmise that it's OK for the Chinese (and assumably the OP) to sell a counterfeit guitar because the Chinese may or may not have invented stringed instruments, but definitely invented porcelain, which the Europeans then stole.


                                thats a pretty good summary.
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