Members billybilly Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 I get that times are tough and I like to get a deal just as much as the next person but it seems to be an obsession here. Personally, I would rather spend a little more and get something decent, not buy 5 pieces of {censored} or 5 different cheap pickups just to find the "one". Interestingly, this could be fueled by peoples consumer driven focus, feeling the need to be actively shopping and having to be more budget conscious as a result buying too much {censored}.Personally, I don't go high end but don't mind some decent quality over quantity. Okay, rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gardo Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 Really best or cheapest dosen't matter to me . I like what I like.but we have to talk about something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr. Scottie C Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 billybilly wrote: I get that times are tough and I like to get a deal just as much as the next person but it seems to be an obsession here. Personally, I would rather spend a little more and get something decent, not buy 5 pieces of {censored} or 5 different cheap pickups just to find the "one". Interestingly, this could be fueled by peoples consumer driven focus, feeling the need to be actively shopping and having to be more budget conscious as a result buying too much {censored}. Personally, I don't go high end but don't mind some decent quality over quantity. Okay, rant over. True... I don't get a boner either about saying "I bought a squier for $32.00 and the damn thing played and sounded better than my $492,000 Clapton Brownie I bought at Soothby's"..... however, good gear doesn't mean good sound either.{censored} playing on {censored} Gear = {censored} Sound{censored} playing on Professional Gear = {censored} Sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kayd_mon Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 Eh, everyone has their own bias. There's the guys who have all high end gear, and would never be caught owning a Squier. Then there's the guys who love the budget bin, and scoff at anyone who spends a bunch of money on one guitar (and will not always admit how much the mods on those guitars cost). Then there's the guys who buy only MIJ everything, or only Heritage / G&L, or whatever they consider to be the superior versions of Strats, Teles, and Les Pauls (which seem to never be from Fender or Gibson from this type). And you of course have those people, and there are lots of them here, that just like guitars, and have examples all over the price range. I consider myself one of those guys, as I have a few cheapies that I enjoy (a Squier Bulllet being the lowest in value), and I also have some very nice guitars (MIA Fender 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat, Gibson Les Paul Classic, and Gibson ES-339 - all pretty nice and not even low end USA! ok, done patting myself on the back). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peskypesky Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 kayd_mon wrote: I have a few cheapies that I enjoy (a Squier Bulllet being the lowest in value), and I also have some very nice guitars (MIA Fender 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat, Gibson Les Paul Classic, and Gibson ES-339 - all pretty nice and not even low end USA! ok, done patting myself on the back). Wait a second. Is that allowed? I thought you had to choose sides. Either inexpensive gear is crap (as billybilly claims)or its not (as I claim). You can't be on both sides!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GreatDane Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 billybilly wrote: I get that times are tough and I like to get a deal just as much as the next person but it seems to be an obsession here. Personally, I would rather spend a little more and get something decent, not buy 5 pieces of {censored} or 5 different cheap pickups just to find the "one". Interestingly, this could be fueled by peoples consumer driven focus, feeling the need to be actively shopping and having to be more budget conscious as a result buying too much {censored}. Personally, I don't go high end but don't mind some decent quality over quantity. Okay, rant over. this place is obsessed with price. some forumites appear unable to think about any other aspect of a piece of gear without first thinking about how much it costs. it's as if their ability to appreciate a particular musical instrument is limited by how much they have in their bank account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peskypesky Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 GreatDane wrote: this place is obsessed with price. some forumites appear unable to think about any other aspect of a piece of gear without first thinking about how much it costs. it's as if their ability to appreciate a particular musical instrument is limited by how much they have in their bank account. Yep. A lot of people who think you have to spend a lot to get good gear. That was indeed the case when I was growing up. Things have changed since then. But a lot of people are still stuck in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chumer Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 For the last 10 years or so I have found that the less expensive guitars play and sound very good indeed, and the more expensive guitars have nicer woods and fancier inlays and prettier finishes and iconic names, but do not necessary play or sound any better.As to guitar amps, it's amazing what you get for around $500 these days what with modeling and the like.The best place to put your money, is not in the more expensive guitars and amps, but in higher-quality PA gear, because that's going to make the difference in how you sound live. It always cracks me up when I see guys with very expensive gear running a crappy PA.The other best place to put your money is again not in more expensive guitars and amps, but in getting a formal musical education. It always cracks me up when I see guys with very expensive gear yet do not even know the difference between the mixolydian mode and the dorian mode and couldn't entertain a crowd if their life depended on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members billybilly Posted February 25, 2013 Author Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 Chumer wrote: The other best place to put your money is again not in more expensive guitars and amps, but in getting a formal musical education. It always cracks me up when I see guys with very expensive gear yet do not even know the difference between the mixolydian mode and the dorian mode and couldn't entertain a crowd if their life depended on it. Do you really judge musicianship by someones ability to differentiate two modes? The first two people I can think of that wouldn't know that would be the late Jimi Hendrix and Tommy Emmanuel. The two very best players I know personally, can't read music and wouldn't know those modes either. They've just worked hard and practiced a lot. Back to the point of the original post, it's more about the culture here on this forum, an obsession with cheaper gear that's just as good as more expensive gear. Some is, but for the most part, if you spend just a little more, you get better gear. It doesn't make you a better player or anything, just an observation on the mentality here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sammyreynolds01 Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 The other best place to put your money is again not in more expensive guitars and amps, but in getting a formal musical education. It always cracks me up when I see guys with very expensive gear yet do not even know the difference between the mixolydian mode and the dorian mode and couldn't entertain a crowd if their life depended on it. 90% of all famous guitar players couldn't tell you the difference between a Mixolydian or Dorian mode you idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mschafft Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 Well cheaper seems to enhance tone. That's what the usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thecornman Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 I would guess that mentality comes from the fact that most of the people on here are basement hobby players that have many other real importent things in their life to spend there money on like family's and school. Then there are people like me who feel they can get great sounds out of run of the mill equipment by making sure I realize I am playing the equipment and it is not playing me. I am also not a material person that really gives a {censored} if I have the best toys in the gang. I let my playing be the deciding factor if someone is impressed. So far I have not had any problems this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kayd_mon Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 I used to hate people with expensive guitars when I was in high school, mostly out of jealousy that I couldn't afford my dream guitar, which was a Gibson Les Paul Classic. I lost that jealously after a while as I matured. I'm not saying that guys who dislike expensive gear are immature, but I'm just relating my experience. After graduating college and working for a few years, I was able to afford the guitar, and I got it. (dreams do come true!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcooper830 Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 I love my Epiphones and Squires just as much as my Gibsons and Fenders. Gear snobs and reverse gear snobs are really annoying. If you know what you're doing you can get great playability and tone out of almost anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members noisebloom Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 I liken it to buying cars. I want something I really like, but I don't want to pay through the nose for it.I could save my money for a long time and get a car that does not compromise one iota dollarwise to get its level of performance -- like a McLaren F1.Or I can get something that's within my budget and has a good combination of reliability, affordability, build quality, driving fun, overall satisfaction, total cost of ownership, etc. So I drive a Honda.Some car buyers are obsessed with getting the cheapest, even if that means they break down and buy cars more often because they know they're getting a compromise. But that's a pretty small cross section of the car buying market.Not a perfect analogy, but I think you get my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vbshredder Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 kayd_mon wrote: Then there's the guys who love the budget bin, and scoff at anyone who spends a bunch of money on one guitar (and will not always admit how much the mods on those guitars cost). yeah thats pretty much me. I know that alot of times high priced stuff is in fact built better, and i've had a mesa amp and do own a 5150 in a rack roadcase, but i'm a cheap bastard, and if i pay alot for something it better blow me away. My USA strat certainly didn't - traded it, play a squire when i need a strat, love it. I'll likely never spend over $1000 on a new guitar - I feel it's dimishing returns after that. but {censored}, if i was loaded, of course i'd buy high end stuff, but i do take pride in playing well and sounding good without spending crazy money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcooper830 Posted February 25, 2013 Members Share Posted February 25, 2013 Excellent player on Squier Affinity > mediocre player on Custom Shop Fender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members photon9 Posted February 26, 2013 Members Share Posted February 26, 2013 All I know is when you find a guitar that you really truly bond with, it's a thing of beauty and joy like no other; no matter what the cost was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peskypesky Posted February 26, 2013 Members Share Posted February 26, 2013 dcooper830 wrote: Excellent player on Squier Affinity > mediocre player on Custom Shop Fender. yes sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members billybilly Posted February 26, 2013 Author Members Share Posted February 26, 2013 dcooper830 wrote: Excellent player on Custom Shop Fender > Excellent player on Squier Affinity > mediocre player on Custom Shop Fender. Added another for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Elias Graves Posted February 26, 2013 Members Share Posted February 26, 2013 Holy crap the way this software handles quotes is like the silliest thing I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Special J Posted February 26, 2013 Members Share Posted February 26, 2013 dcooper830 wrote: Excellent player on Squier Affinity > mediocre player on Custom Shop Fender. While I agree with you, how many excellent players are really out there running around playing Squier Affinities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Danoman Posted February 26, 2013 Members Share Posted February 26, 2013 billybilly wrote: I get that times are tough and I like to get a deal just as much as the next person but it seems to be an obsession here. Personally, I would rather spend a little more and get something decent, not buy 5 pieces of {censored} or 5 different cheap pickups just to find the "one". Interestingly, this could be fueled by peoples consumer driven focus, feeling the need to be actively shopping and having to be more budget conscious as a result buying too much {censored}. Personally, I don't go high end but don't mind some decent quality over quantity. Okay, rant over. you're ranting? why do you even care? we're not spending your money on our pieces of {censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members badpenguin Posted February 26, 2013 Members Share Posted February 26, 2013 Personally, I wouldn't mind spending 3K on something special. but I haven't found anything worth spending the money on! When I bought my Gary kramer Simulator, I had the chance to play the American version, then the Korean version. I didn't think the American was worth the extra 3K. Besides, my attitude with a guitar is a simple one. "Blow torch or bandsaw, whatever it takes to make it right for me." And if I did that to a high end guitar, well, why should I buy it, if I have to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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