Members Lump Posted February 11, 2006 Members Share Posted February 11, 2006 I like the look and price of this guitar, but when I emailed asking what type of wood it was I was told Carolina. Is that a type of pine? http://us.st11.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/ravguitar_1884_12560900 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mdog114 Posted February 11, 2006 Members Share Posted February 11, 2006 It looks like it could be southern yellow pine, but that's not a common wood used by guitar makers. A more common wood, swamp ash, looks similar. The grain seems a bit softer than what SA usually looks like. Ask the seller to be more specific, Carolina is not a type of wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brewski Posted February 11, 2006 Members Share Posted February 11, 2006 I would think that's pine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ashasha Posted February 12, 2006 Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 That thing looks like pine and that is the most common in the Carolinas. I never heard of it being used in guitars though, can't imagine that it would be ideal. Probably has a real warm sound with no sustain. Could be wrong, just my impressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GRANKOR Posted February 12, 2006 Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 Warwick Rockbasses are made from it. http://www.warwickrockbass.com/streamerstd.htmI think I read somewhere it's related to spruce, so it could very well be a type of pine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lump Posted February 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 I emailed him to ask him if it was a type of pine and he just responded that he didn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mdog114 Posted February 12, 2006 Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 Originally posted by GRANKOR Warwick Rockbasses are made from it. http://www.warwickrockbass.com/streamerstd.htmI think I read somewhere it's related to spruce, so it could very well be a type of pine. Other than that website, I can't seem to find any source that refers to a wood type named "Carolena or Carolina". It looks like southern yellow pine, which is heavily grown in the Carolinas. Southern yellow pine is what is used to make the stair treads you'd see at the Home Depot. It's used for tons of stuff and is also used for treated lumber. I'm not sure how well it would work for guitars, it might be a bit dull or dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brendan Posted February 12, 2006 Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 That's one of the new Raven models coming out of China. Suppose they have Carolina wood in China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cade Posted February 12, 2006 Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 Are you sure he was not talking about the pickguard and pickup covers? They have a wood look, to me, and if you look at the second picture in the "better views", it certainly looks like a wood pickguard by the appearance of the edge which is closest to the body. I hope it's so, because I think that's cool and will be ordering the guitar solely because of that. I can make it a good playing and sounding guitar, with a good setup and pup change (if necessary). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BigBone Posted February 12, 2006 Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 sure looks like pine, looks a little fatty too but it's hard to tell from pictures. Old pine makes nice guitar speaker cabinets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vexed73 Posted February 12, 2006 Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 That is what I wake up with every morning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lump Posted February 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 Here is the exact quote, "750 and 999 are solid carolina" 750 refers to the clear model, 999 refers to the one that looks like it has a wood faceplate. I wouldn't rule it out if it was pine, but he couldn't confirm if it was or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walt0915 Posted February 12, 2006 Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 that definitely looks just like southern yellow pine. SYP is a very hard, very dense type of pine, but it is prone to having pockets of pitch (sap) in the wood, which makes it a pain in the ass to work with. The photo you have is exactly what it looks like with no stain at all. I've worked quite a bit of it myself, never for a guitar though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drftrman Posted February 12, 2006 Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 I like this tele, that's made from yellow pine. I can just see the mojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lump Posted February 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 Something doesn't make sense to me. that is the least expensive model on the site. Would it really be cheaper to have wood shipped from carolina, to korea, to be machined, and then shipped to china to be assembled, especially if it has a high defect rate due to pockets of sap. I just keep thinking it has to be some cheap would that's closer to korea than carolina. Am I wrong in my logic, or is shipping wood like that cheaper than I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flyguitar Posted February 12, 2006 Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 Pine. Tele prototyphe was made oh pine. Not a very good tone wood IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CMcKenzie Posted February 12, 2006 Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 Think of how sticky it'll be from the rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walt0915 Posted February 12, 2006 Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 Originally posted by Lump Something doesn't make sense to me. that is the least expensive model on the site. Would it really be cheaper to have wood shipped from carolina, to korea, to be machined, and then shipped to china to be assembled, especially if it has a high defect rate due to pockets of sap. I just keep thinking it has to be some cheap would that's closer to korea than carolina. Am I wrong in my logic, or is shipping wood like that cheaper than I think. well, it's cheaper to ship steel to japan and make cars and ship them back - or at least it was in the 80's. SYP is pretty cheap wood. As for tone, I've never listened to it, but as dense and heavy as it is it might not be so bad. Certainly white pine, fir, etc. is much to light and soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lump Posted February 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted February 12, 2006 I'm very tempted to take a leap and order one. Heck I've made plywood guitars sound passible before, why not pine. But with three young daughters and not o lot of spending cash I gotta be pretty methodic in gear acquistions. Hopefully some young guns around here with free cash will decide to take the plunge and let us know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lump Posted February 13, 2006 Author Members Share Posted February 13, 2006 geez what a difference a day makes. after getting an email saying that the nut widths are accurate and he doesn't know what kind of wood carolina is, the website's now updated showing the tele nut widths as 1 11/16ths(which is a good thing) and a description saying that carolina is a variety of poplar. That makes a bit more sense, and I have no problem with a poplar guitar if that is a true statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members matt_t Posted February 13, 2006 Members Share Posted February 13, 2006 I seriously doubt that is pine. Typical tonewood used for clear finishes in China and the Far East is something called Phoenix Tree (also known as Japanese Varnish Tree or Umbrella Tree). Very much like basswood, very light with nice grain--compare this shot of the strats we sell with Phoenix Tree to the original: http://members.cox.net/stillwaterguitars/nast01.jpg It's very unlikely thay are importing Carolina Pine (a horrible tone wood) and exporting budget guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walt0915 Posted February 13, 2006 Members Share Posted February 13, 2006 Originally posted by matt_t I seriously doubt that is pine. Typical tonewood used for clear finishes in China and the Far East is something called Phoenix Tree (also known as Japanese Varnish Tree or Umbrella Tree).Very much like basswood, very light with nice grain--compare this shot of the strats we sell with Phoenix Tree to the original:http://members.cox.net/stillwaterguitars/nast01.jpgIt's very unlikely thay are importing Carolina Pine (a horrible tone wood) and exporting budget guitars. While I'll agree with you that it seems quite unlikely that a company would use yellow pine for a guitar, the wood in the photo you have does not look much like the wood in the first photo. The grain is quite different, and that is what makes it look like yellow pine. Yellow pine grows very fast, from seed to harvest in 25-30 years, which is why it has very broad grain lines. Without being able to examine the piece it is impossible to say, but it *looks* like yellow pine, and given they SAY it is "Carolina" I would hesitate to buy it. At least, I'd insist on playing it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members matt_t Posted February 13, 2006 Members Share Posted February 13, 2006 Completely agree on the sentiment of playing it before I bought it. Isn't pine a heavy wood? Compared to the lighter basswood or alder they use on cheaper guitars, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walt0915 Posted February 13, 2006 Members Share Posted February 13, 2006 Originally posted by matt_t Completely agree on the sentiment of playing it before I bought it. Isn't pine a heavy wood? Compared to the lighter basswood or alder they use on cheaper guitars, that is. white pine isn't, but yellow pine is - at least heavier than basswood. I don't know about alder, it can be pretty heavy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lump Posted February 13, 2006 Author Members Share Posted February 13, 2006 they updated the website to say that it's a variety of poplar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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