Harmony Central Forums
Announcement Announcement Module
Collapse
No announcement yet.

I've decided that Jimmy Page is the best...

Page Title Module
Move Remove Collapse







X
Conversation Detail Module
Collapse
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • I've decided that Jimmy Page is the best...

    ...guitarist still alive today, especially after watching Celebration Day. He made his Les Paul sound like an acoustic at the beginning of Ramble On and then went into a viscous solo, pummelling his Orange and Marshall amps. As younger guitarists have come on the scene, I always drool over their power and accuracy. But many of them lack one key ingredient. Swagger. Pagey has always had it and still does, and when you watch Celebration Day after The Song Remains the Same, you realize that he's actually a better player now then he was in '77. But both '77 and '11 (well, '13 now I suppose) Jimmy Pages have their place and I love the fact that you just know he's gonna hit a bad note or mess up a pull off. But that's part of his swagger, and the runs, hammer ons, and pull offs that he does mangage to wrangle out of his Lester, are pure magic.  

    And then there's that slide. Often flat, never sharp (the good ones always err on the flat end of the spectrum), you can't wait to hear what happens next. So after thinking that Page was number one for 2/3 of my lifetime but then being transfixed by the technical wizzards of today, I am, once again, retruning James Patrick Page to the number one spot on my list of living guitarists. Don't ask me about the dead ones. 

    By the way, I was never intending to watch Celebration Day. I've seen too many nostalgia acts that have just been sad (Beach Boys, anyone?), but my son bought me the Blu Ray for Christmas and on a recent visit, he asked me to watch it with him. I was pleasantly surprised. It's a bit polished, but I've seen Plant live at a small venue in Denver, and I can attest to the fact that he can still sing. He's great. The whole set is ferocious and the BAND is into it. Of course the most important thing is that Jimmy Page still the one thing for which Joe Bonamassa would give half of his liver.

    jimmy.jpg

     

    Attached Files

  • #2

    I say that you describe his playing quite well, with the words:

    "...you just know he's gonna hit a bad note or mess up a pull off..."

    "Often flat, never sharp (the good ones always err on the flat end of the spectrum)..."

     

    But that description does not fit to your assessment;

    "Jimmy Page is the best guitarist still alive today".

     

    I say that the man who once was Jimmy Page

    Comment


    • docjeffrey
      docjeffrey commented
      Editing a comment

      P. Hubbs wrote:

      I say that you describe his playing quite well, with the words:

      "...you just know he's gonna hit a bad note or mess up a pull off..."

      "Often flat, never sharp (the good ones always err on the flat end of the spectrum)..."

       

      But that description does not fit to your assessment;

      "Jimmy Page is the best guitarist still alive today".

       

      I say that the man who once was Jimmy Page


  • #3

    He does look a bit like a cartoon character these days, and I think he still gets toasted before gigs, but I like his style.

    jp.gif

    Attached Files

    Comment


    • kayd_mon
      kayd_mon commented
      Editing a comment
      When I first started listening to Zeppelin, I might have been tempted to say the same thing. I don't think he's the best player alive, but I like your description of him, and think he's great. I'll have to watch Celebration Day to see what the fuss is about.

      I can name a few guitarists that I think are better than Page, but "who's the best" contests are rarely based on anything more than opinion.

  • #4

    Zeppelin's my favorite band, and Page is my favorite guitarist, but I thought Celebration Day was dreadful.  Sound was just boomy and sloppy.  I can't listen to Plant any more.  When will vocalists realize that drinking and smoking are NOT going to make you sound better?

    Comment


    • #5

      If you ask Robert Plant, he'd probably say Jeff Beck. Not my favorite, ( Page either) but his.

      Comment


      • Bucksstudent
        Bucksstudent commented
        Editing a comment
        Not Roger McGuinn??? All of your Rickenbackers are ours, Doc.

        Jimmy Page from the beginning through Physical Graffiti in on my top thirty, but not near the top. I consider originality a factor of it, and playing the songs you wrote thirty to forty years ago doesn't really add up in that regard. If Page puts out a good solo album, then we'll talk.

        Richard Thompson is still alive and kicking, and Jimmy probably still wishes he had his mojo. Fairport had a decent amount of influence on early Zeppelin.

        So, Doc, it's time to venture outside of the norm before you say someone is the best.

    • #6

      Meh, I read that a big-shot session musician played all those Led Zepplin solos.

      Comment


      • #7

        In the 80s, when EVH was on the balcony of guitar heroes, presiding over his faithful flock, and I worshipped the ground on which he walked, if we were playing truth or dare and you told me to tell the honest truth, no bull****************, who is the greatest rock guitarist alive today, I would have had to answer Jimmy Page. How could I not? Page's repertoire was much deeper, much broader, and he was much more versatile than EVH. As great as EVH was, he still had limits. Page's limits were much further out in space.

         

        Same still holds true today, perhaps ever more so. Page was a delight to watch and hear play on Celebration Day, and damn if he didn't still have that swagger. I'm a huge fan of Celebration Day. If that's the last we ever hear of the mighty Led Zeppelin, what a way to go out -- right on a peak, cresting the wave. No doubt about it.

         

        I've said before that Page is the player whose style baffles me the most. Try as I might, I can't play a single Zep song and make it sound faithful to Pagey's style. I can hit the notes, but I just don't have the mojo. Probably never will.

         

        I'll steal a quote from myself. Whenever there's a thread about the greatness of Jimi Hendrix, it usually devolves into a debate about his relevance today and how he's apparently famous simply because he died. I said once, in response to a thread debating whether Hendrix was "the best," that Hendrix may not have been the best, but he was the greatest.

         

        Same applies to Page, among the living. Page may not be the best rock guitarist alive, but he is the greatest.

        <div class="signaturecontainer"><div class="bbcode_container">
        <div class="bbcode_quote">
        <div class="quote_container">
        <div class="bbcode_quote_container"></div>

        <div class="bbcode_postedby">
        <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>csm</strong>
        <a href="showthread.php?p=30292822#post30292822" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost-right.png" alt="View Post" /></a>
        </div>
        <div class="message">The first, and most frequently violated rule of punk is: THERE ARE NO RULES.</div>

        </div>
        </div>
        </div> <font face="Book Antiqua">&quot;You know, once you've had that guitar up so loud on the stage, where you can lean back and volume will stop you from falling backward, that's a hard drug to kick.&quot; — David Gilmour</font><br />
        <br />
        <font face="Tahoma"><div align="center"><font size="1"><b>Fender</b> :: <b>Gibson</b> :: <b>Epiphone</b> :: <b>Ibanez</b> :: <b>Yamaha</b> <br />
        <b>Blackstar</b> :: <font color="orange"><b>Orange</b></font> :: <b>Vox</b></font></div></font></div>

        Comment


        • #8
          Page is a favorite. I don't know about the best.
          <div class="signaturecontainer"><b><b><font size="1"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma"><b><font color="Magenta"><i><br><br>Guitars: <a href="http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/SexyHeather2006/Guitars/HPIM1860.jpg" target="_blank">Ampeg Dan Armstrongs</a>, Fender Telecasters, Stratocasters, Epiphone Les Paul, G-400, EG-1275, Dots, Gibson SG, Squier Stratocasters, Telecasters, OLP MM1s, etc.<br><br><br><br>Amps: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 50/1960A, Ampeg VL-502/VLA, Music Man HD150 212, etc.<br><br><br><br>Effects: Vox ToneLab SE, etc.<br><br><br><br>Influences: Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ronnie Wood, Paul Kantner, Eric Clapton, Rich Robinson, Jimmy Page, Pete Townshend, The Edge, etc.<br><br><br><br></i></font></b></font></font></font></b></b><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></div>

          Comment


          • #9
            Very good point about having appeal from non-guitarists as well. Someone else mentioned Clapton, and EVH and Hendrix have to be there, too on the same grounds. Personally, I probably like Page the best of the guitarists that non-guitarists think are awesome.
            <div class="signaturecontainer"><b>Guitars:</b> 3 Fender Strats, Fender Jazzmaster, Squier Bullet, 2 Gibson Les Pauls, Gibson ES-339, Gibson Les Paul Jr. Special, Epiphone Les Paul, Epiphone Dot, Epiphone SG, PRS SE Custom 24, Ibanez AS73, Hamer Duotone, Larrivee D-03R, Takamine EG5013S, 1951 Epiphone Devon, Ibanez SR305 (bass)<br><br><br><br><b>Pedal Chain:</b> BBE Green Screamer -&gt; MXR Distortion III -&gt; Boss CE-5 -&gt; EH Stereo Pulsar -&gt; Boss DD-20 -&gt; BBE Boosta Grande<br><br><br><br><b>Amps:</b> Vox AC4, AC15, AC30, Pathfinder 10, DA5<br><br><br><br><a target="_blank" href="http://soundcloud.com/andrewalderman">SoundCloud</a></div>

            Comment


            • Morganbich
              Morganbich commented
              Editing a comment

              You decided so it is final!

              Jimmy Page has the call/ response element of the blues brought to rock that so many guitarist miss, although hiphop rap and pop all catch, that leads to excitement.


          • #10
            @bernardo gui

            Well I can't definitively say he's the only guitarist to get better, but certainly the only one I can think of. He is amazing, and he's near the top of the heap of guitarists all-time.

            That said, I would rather listen to Houses of the Holy (my fave Zep record) than a Jeff Beck record, if I had to choose. Page's phrasing, layering, jangle, soloing, monster riffing, etc really get me. Beck does too, but not as much.
            <div class="signaturecontainer"><b>Guitars:</b> 3 Fender Strats, Fender Jazzmaster, Squier Bullet, 2 Gibson Les Pauls, Gibson ES-339, Gibson Les Paul Jr. Special, Epiphone Les Paul, Epiphone Dot, Epiphone SG, PRS SE Custom 24, Ibanez AS73, Hamer Duotone, Larrivee D-03R, Takamine EG5013S, 1951 Epiphone Devon, Ibanez SR305 (bass)<br><br><br><br><b>Pedal Chain:</b> BBE Green Screamer -&gt; MXR Distortion III -&gt; Boss CE-5 -&gt; EH Stereo Pulsar -&gt; Boss DD-20 -&gt; BBE Boosta Grande<br><br><br><br><b>Amps:</b> Vox AC4, AC15, AC30, Pathfinder 10, DA5<br><br><br><br><a target="_blank" href="http://soundcloud.com/andrewalderman">SoundCloud</a></div>

            Comment


            • PaulLesFetish
              PaulLesFetish commented
              Editing a comment
              Page is why I started playing guitar.

          • #11
            The Zep plagiarism is much more on Plant's side. Stealing lyrics and stealing riffs are not the same thing. Page played some blues riffs that were similar to ones heard before, but come on. They're blues riffs. Plant sang other people's lyrics and didn't give them credit. IMO, Page gets a pass on plagiarism. Plant does not.
            <div class="signaturecontainer"><b>Guitars:</b> 3 Fender Strats, Fender Jazzmaster, Squier Bullet, 2 Gibson Les Pauls, Gibson ES-339, Gibson Les Paul Jr. Special, Epiphone Les Paul, Epiphone Dot, Epiphone SG, PRS SE Custom 24, Ibanez AS73, Hamer Duotone, Larrivee D-03R, Takamine EG5013S, 1951 Epiphone Devon, Ibanez SR305 (bass)<br><br><br><br><b>Pedal Chain:</b> BBE Green Screamer -&gt; MXR Distortion III -&gt; Boss CE-5 -&gt; EH Stereo Pulsar -&gt; Boss DD-20 -&gt; BBE Boosta Grande<br><br><br><br><b>Amps:</b> Vox AC4, AC15, AC30, Pathfinder 10, DA5<br><br><br><br><a target="_blank" href="http://soundcloud.com/andrewalderman">SoundCloud</a></div>

            Comment


            • #12

              I have a great deal of repect for page but he's not in my top 10 for me the best is paul kossoff and nobody will ever convince me otherwise.

              Comment


              • #13
                Keith Richards for me. :-)
                <div class="signaturecontainer"><b><b><font size="1"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma"><b><font color="Magenta"><i><br><br>Guitars: <a href="http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/SexyHeather2006/Guitars/HPIM1860.jpg" target="_blank">Ampeg Dan Armstrongs</a>, Fender Telecasters, Stratocasters, Epiphone Les Paul, G-400, EG-1275, Dots, Gibson SG, Squier Stratocasters, Telecasters, OLP MM1s, etc.<br><br><br><br>Amps: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 50/1960A, Ampeg VL-502/VLA, Music Man HD150 212, etc.<br><br><br><br>Effects: Vox ToneLab SE, etc.<br><br><br><br>Influences: Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ronnie Wood, Paul Kantner, Eric Clapton, Rich Robinson, Jimmy Page, Pete Townshend, The Edge, etc.<br><br><br><br></i></font></b></font></font></font></b></b><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></div>

                Comment


                • Sheraton
                  Sheraton commented
                  Editing a comment

                  I have a problem with the whole "Best" thing.  I think the need to label something "Best" reflects more on the person doing the labeling than the one being labeled.  Like a sense of inadequacy that you need to overcome by picking the "Best".

                  It isn't a competitive Olympic type thing where there is precise measurement.  Why can't we say "he is my favorite guitar player alive today".  Or qualify it with IMHO?

                  I like Page.  Lot's of good points were made here.  Personally, just as a guitar player, I prefer Bill Nelson.


              • #14
                Page is probably the best at developing a riff or hook. His use of different time signatures, alternate tunings, and syncopated rhythm is phenomenal. His only downside is that his technique is not always there. There are certainly prog rock guitarists who best him in that department; I'm thinking John Petrucci, Steve Morse and Alex Lifeson. These guys play incredible stuff and hit it night after night. This doesn't diminish Page in my book, just keeps it all in perspective.
                <div class="signaturecontainer">Must...buy...guitars. Will strong....body weak!</div><br><br><div class="signaturecontainer">&quot;Take your wands out, both of you.&quot; -- Hermione Granger</div>

                Comment


                • billybilly
                  billybilly commented
                  Editing a comment

                  Mo' Cowbell wrote:
                  Page is probably the best at developing a riff or hook. His use of different time signatures, alternate tunings, and syncopated rhythm is phenomenal. His only downside is that his technique is not always there. There are certainly prog rock guitarists who best him in that department; I'm thinking John Petrucci, Steve Morse and Alex Lifeson. These guys play incredible stuff and hit it night after night. This doesn't diminish Page in my book, just keeps it all in perspective.

                  I agree, Page was never known for his technique, however, I'd rather listen to what he brings to the table that someone who is deadly accurate, which for some reason, seems to make them sound so stale.  Perhaps all they have is technique?


              • #15

                Page

                Comment


                • SpiritOfTheAge!
                  SpiritOfTheAge! commented
                  Editing a comment

                  Well ive just had a listen to Celebration Day thing on youtube, not the best quality I know, but wow Jimmys tone was horrible on good time bad times and his playing was anemic, just appeared to be wanking on a scale with no regard to feeling or timing, I hate to say it but that stunk.

                   

                  Jimmy has played some amazing guitar in his time, but for me that is not a great example to be pointing out for that.

                   

                  THIS is tone and playing with feeling

                   

                   

                   

              Working...
              X