Members [PaRliNG] Posted January 4, 2003 Members Share Posted January 4, 2003 Hi all, No, I'm notgoing to ask you to explain to me hwat scales are, cos I know anyways, when I learn a scale - should I learn one position or should I learn them all, is there much point in learning them all ( I know you get more scope in you solos but.. it's a lotta hard work) WHats the best way you would recommend learning these buggers. And what scales should I go on to learn, after Major and Natural Minor? Thanks, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members [PaRliNG] Posted January 5, 2003 Author Members Share Posted January 5, 2003 Come on guys, someone answer this, I know it's boring but it'd be a great help.18 views -> not one reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members triumphant_gleam Posted January 5, 2003 Members Share Posted January 5, 2003 Well I'm no expert but I reckon it's best to start with a basic position and then learn variations (like 3 note per string fingerings, scale patterns starting on the 5th string rather than the 6th, etc.). Then it's just a matter of filling in the gaps. Other scales to learn are the harmonic minor and melodic minor, plus modes, diminished scales etc. I use the harmonic minor quite a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alpha_Omega Posted January 6, 2003 Members Share Posted January 6, 2003 I think learning the patterns will help your playing ability's and your ability to play solos better. If you are looking for new scales, I would suggest: Melodic Minor Harmonic Minor Blues Traditional Blues Major Pentatonic Minor Pentatonic Modes: Mixolydian Phyrgian Lydian Locrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jazzIII Posted January 10, 2003 Members Share Posted January 10, 2003 learn EVERY scale in EVERY position. I know it's alot of work, but I think (just my opinion...) that it's the only way to fluently be able to work up and down the neck while soloing. Also, it helps working out different fingerings. For instance, I once had gig outside, and it was pretty cold so I could feel my left hand stiffening up. Rather than risking strainging my pinky, I just used a different fingering on the fly. People that knew the solos by heart never even noticed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members [PaRliNG] Posted January 11, 2003 Author Members Share Posted January 11, 2003 Thanks for your advice.I am going to learn the scales in all positions Any advice about how to make them more interesting to learn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fred5 Posted January 12, 2003 Members Share Posted January 12, 2003 Originally posted by [PaRliNG] Hi all,No, I'm notgoing to ask you to explain to me hwat scales are, cos I know PHEW! Thanks WHats the best way you would recommend learning these buggers.Ever heard of modes? They are like applications ofthe Major scale. In the modes system, the Major scale is called the ionian mode. Say we're in the key of C Major - for simplicity. The notes areascending: C,D,E,F,G,A,B and C again. Now, try playing that same selection of notes over a D minor chord. Since now, in this new context, thissame selection would be written D,E,F,G,A,B,C andD an octave higher. This selection of notes are now referred to as the dorian mode or dorian scale, same thing.What I'm saying is that by just understanding the idea behind the modessystem, you will in effect learn seven differentscales for every Major scale. And considering thatall you have to do to get to another key is tomove your left hand one or more frets. It ain'tthat hard is it? Besides, very few players has nailed all fingerings of all these scales. It'smuch more important to understand the principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Terje Posted January 12, 2003 Members Share Posted January 12, 2003 Originally posted by jazzIII learn EVERY scale in EVERY position. No need. Learn the good ones and lots of ways of using them instead. It's not how many scales you know, it's knowing how to use them that makes a difference. Learn the major scale and it's modes (espcecially the Ionian, Dorian and Mixolydian modes). Learn he Melodic minor scale, at least if you're into jazz, and learn how to use it for altered notes. Learn the blues scale if you don't know it. Learn the Choromatic scale, or rather learn how to use it. The actual scale isn't much to learn, it's just all 12 notes. The Augmented, Diminished and Whole-Tone scales? You may very well not need them so much as you think. The scales abovecover much of what you'd use them for anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jazz_Funk_42 Posted January 13, 2003 Members Share Posted January 13, 2003 I think learning a scale all over the fretboard is very important. Once you really get a feel for the major scale all over the fretboard it really opens things up. That's the only real way I know of to break out of that box we call pattern playing. Kind of ironic huh? Learning patterns to break out of patterns.Well, anyway, here's the way that has worked best for me...1- Learn all 5 pentatonic scales with each scales' root note starting on the E string. That way you can stack each fingering on top of each other and cover the entire fretboard (modal pentatonics).2- Now, move to the 7 modes of the major scale, be aware of how the pentatonics fit as you run them. 3- Go back to the pentatonic modes/fingerings, run arpeggios with them. 4- Run your arpeggios and chord tones with the major scales.You now have 7 modal sounds at your disposal. You can play over majors, minors, dom7, and half diminished chords, all with the use of one scale (major). In my opinion, learning this stuff makes learning everything else a hell of a lot easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Macblah-1 Posted January 13, 2003 Members Share Posted January 13, 2003 Originally posted by Terje No need. Learn the good ones and lots of ways of using them instead. It's not how many scales you know, it's knowing how to use them that makes a difference. Agreed. Remember to pay attention to the harmonic context while practicing the scales. If you can record yourself, record a chord and try playing the different scales over the recording. For example, record a Cmaj7 chord. Then try playing C major, C lydian and B minor pentatonic scales over it, also try differnt triads and arpeggios. People often emphasize the importance of using a metronome when practicing scales as a rhythm guide. IMO it's every bit as important to know what you are doing harmonically speaking as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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