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  • #31
    Right on - me too! Bass-transcription definitely benefits from being upped an octave!
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    • #32
      Other programs I use handle the percentages differently. That is, the greater the percentage, the slower the speed. (i.e., it slows the file a little bit by 10%, or slows it much more by 60%). I thought that Transcribe! was the same but I was mistaken.
      I used Transcribe and created 4 new files for comparison, in case anyone's interested
      At 50% it doesn't sound bad. Still, I notice a warble at slow speeds and to me it's annoying.

      I somewhat agree with JonR when he says "you can still hear the notes - that's all that matters"
      In my case, I don't do many transcriptions, but slow down audio as a practice tool. Once I slowed it down, I listen again and again and again, often while playing guitar. In this sense poor audio quality starts to bug me after a few passes.

      I also added a Black Dog sample. JonR's has the "warble" I dislike. Mine does not. Mine comes from an MP3 but I believe it was from a CD originally. Even using the same source, Transcribe! has that sound I dislike at slow settings.

      If I just wanted to hear the notes once or twice, I would actually use Transcribe! since high quality converters are considerably slower, at least on my old Mac.

      The attached files are from Wave Editor, Twisted Wave, and Transcribe! at 2 corresponding speeds. Black Dog was done with Twisted Wave in 2 passes, since the maximum slowdown it has did not match JonR's example.
      I really wanted to use Audacity as well, but it's just not behaving in my system.

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      • #33
        Wow, Transcribe really whipped TW at 20%, eh?

        I wonder if some of the "warble" is actually what is in the original: obviously faster. Maybe what's nice vibrato at 100% is nasty warble at 25%?
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        • #34
          Wow, Transcribe really whipped TW at 20%, eh?

          I wonder if some of the "warble" is actually what is in the original: obviously faster. Maybe what's nice vibrato at 100% is nasty warble at 25%?


          The Twisted Wave file is at roughly the speed of Transcribe! at 50%. I think both sound OK.

          The other TW file (Black Dog Slow) would be similar to the one JonR posted (20%), and TW sounds much better IMO.
          The warble or sometime flangey sound is constant so it's not the vibrato. Bass and drums can also sound odd. It's also present when using the same source material. Not very noticeable at higher speeds, though.

          In terms of speed and convenience, Transcribe! is certainly the winner. After all these tests, the one I'm seriously considering buying is Twisted Wave. It's better suited for my needs

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          • #35
            GaJ, Eddie, JonR - Thanks for the input.

            I originally noticed this effect when I tried to slow down a very fast, distorted riff (IOW - sonically dense). It's also played on a way downtuned guitar (C or maybe lower, I can't figure it out (sounds A to me!?!?)). Then I tried some other, slower songs and noticed the same issue. FWIW I'm using Pyro to rip waves from CD's and then playing them back via Transcribe. I also own SlowGold, and that has a similar issue. This has never been a problem if I only slow to 60% or so. South of that is where issues arise.

            I'm going to experiment with other, faster machines if Transcribe isn't somehow locked to the machine I originally downloaded it to. I may just need to upgrade the machine. I hate the thought of re-installing all of that SW.

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            • #36
              I'd be interested to try a riff like the one you tried to see what it sounds like... whether it's your machine or just "what happens with that sort of sound". Got an example?
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              • #37
                Gaj,
                I tried this again last night. Slow Gold did a better job, but it also had problems below 50%. I will post samples when I get a chance, assuming I can figure out how to record the output of the programs while they are using the sound card to play the slowed material.

                For reference, the song that got me fixated on this issue is called Man's Ruin. It's by Prong off Rude Awakening. The problem exists with other songs, but I think something about the nature of this detuned, distorted beast aggravates it. I think it's also the 1st time I tried slowing things down this much with Transcribe, which I've only owned about 2 months.

                I think the software may be doing some aliasing as I force it to spread the actual data points farther and farther apart.

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                • #38
                  How's everyone feel slow gold stacks up compared to Transcribe?

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                  • #39
                    Gaj,
                    I tried this again last night. Slow Gold did a better job, but it also had problems below 50%. I will post samples when I get a chance, assuming I can figure out how to record the output of the programs while they are using the sound card to play the slowed material.

                    For reference, the song that got me fixated on this issue is called Man's Ruin. It's by Prong off Rude Awakening. The problem exists with other songs, but I think something about the nature of this detuned, distorted beast aggravates it. I think it's also the 1st time I tried slowing things down this much with Transcribe, which I've only owned about 2 months.

                    I think the software may be doing some aliasing as I force it to spread the actual data points farther and farther apart.
                    My guess is this is down to the original song file. There would be reason (surely?) for slowdown software to introduce anything to diminish the audio quality.
                    Did you use MP3, CD audio or WAV?
                    Whatever format it's in, "Mansruin" certainly has too much distortion - I would think - for any software to be able to reliably distinguish much more than your ears can. I know Transcribe gives up guessing chords in this kind of thing, and my ears are certainly better (slightly) than the software in that respect (tho not in others). IMO, this is down to the nature of the recorded sound, not a defect in the software. The sound is a mess (in the nicest possible way!) that no program could disentangle. How could it know which parts of the sound belong to which instrument, or which overtones belong to which fundamental pitch?
                    IOW, such tracks expose the limitations of all transcription software - with the possible exception of real high-end programs, but I'd be suspicious even there. (Melodyne looks good at disentangling chords, but I doubt very much it would work cleanly with highly distorted guitars.)

                    With Transcribe, btw, you can export the soundfile, or a selection from it - no need to record it again. Not sure about SlowGold.
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                    • #40
                      JonR,
                      Thanks for the reply.

                      FWIW - I use Pyro to rip wave files from CD's.

                      I think it's a combination of things. Transcribe is trying to do a lot more than slow gold (i.e. music analysis), so that's extra bandwidth it needs that my machine may not have. That may explain a little as to why SG seems to work a little better. I agree that the nature of the beast (that song) is probably also part of the problem. But I have noticed this phasing (whatever) effect on other, more normal tracks.

                      SG doesn't give me a way to directly export it's output. That's why I didn't post samples for comparison (I would have to introduce other software, making it a faulty comparison).

                      If anyone wants to hear what my computer is doing with Man's Ruin, let me know and I'll post it. Right now I'm pretty sure the situation will be improved when I get a faster machine.

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                      • #41
                        I recently stumbled on transcribe and I'm loving it. I'm 2/3ish of the way transcribing Blue in Green (just single notes; I still need to work on my ear for chords); just finished Coltrane's solo . Awesome tool, personally I found I had to go down to 20% for a few licks in Coltrane's solo.
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                        • #42
                          Need a bit of a vote of confidence here. Reading through this thread it would seem that the best all over software for transcribing is Transcribe!? I've been trying it out for the trial period and it was good, been trying some other software, a lot of free options but nothing so far has been as good, so I'm thinking about investing in a piece of software now. Don't mind shelling out the 50 bucks for Transcribe!, but I'd feel like a fool if there is something better out there.

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                          • #43
                            The concensus in this forum is usually that Transcribe is the choice.

                            There's always one or two people with some other favourite ... horses for courses I guess.

                            But Transcribe gets the most thumbs up here, in my experience.

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                            • #44
                              Even though I've recommended other programs for slowing down audio, for transcription purposes Transcribe! is hard to beat and has a variety of specific tools for the task.

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                              • #45
                                Need a bit of a vote of confidence here. Reading through this thread it would seem that the best all over software for transcribing is Transcribe!? I've been trying it out for the trial period and it was good, been trying some other software, a lot of free options but nothing so far has been as good, so I'm thinking about investing in a piece of software now. Don't mind shelling out the 50 bucks for Transcribe!, but I'd feel like a fool if there is something better out there.
                                I agree with the above two. I'm not aware of any software that outdoes Transcribe as a dedicated transcription tool.
                                If you have a Mac it might be worth you demo-ing Capo for comparison, but AFAIK that's the same price, and no better (it would be a matter of personal taste whether you prefer the interface). You'll certainly not "feel like a fool" for buying Transcribe! Even if you don't do a lot of transcribing now, it might persuade you to do a lot more - which can only be a good thing.
                                As I think I said earlier, when I first demo'd Transcribe (some years ago), I held out for two months before registering (I just clicked away the irritating messages for the 2nd month - it still worked fully). But even a cheapskate like me could see it was an amazing program - I think it's the best designed interface of any program I use, for anything. I use it probably twice a week (often more), and it was well worth the money. There've been many (free) updates since then of course, including one or two non-essential bells and whistles, but it's still pretty transparent and intuitive to use.
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