Members defaultusername Posted December 19, 2016 Members Share Posted December 19, 2016 OK, don't get me wrong here. I think Line 6 makes good products (sure, they had footswitch issues back some years ago, but who doesn't have something), I don't have a specific issue, and I'm allergic to "mojo" but still...II'm going to have to use some poetic language hereI've owned line 6 and I can't tell you specifically what it is, but I just never find myself engaging with the sound. It just feels like effects on top of my sound. I never find myself playing into the effect or melting into it where you hit a sound to test it and you look up and 2 hours have gone by without you noticing. I like the interfaces just fine, I like the quality of construction, the technical quality of the processing seems just fine. i don't know what it is, but I just never go "oh, that's the spot right there" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iodine74 Posted December 25, 2016 Members Share Posted December 25, 2016 OK, don't get me wrong here. I think Line 6 makes good products (sure, they had footswitch issues back some years ago, but who doesn't have something), I don't have a specific issue, and I'm allergic to "mojo" but still...II'm going to have to use some poetic language here I've owned line 6 and I can't tell you specifically what it is, but I just never find myself engaging with the sound. It just feels like effects on top of my sound. I never find myself playing into the effect or melting into it where you hit a sound to test it and you look up and 2 hours have gone by without you noticing. I like the interfaces just fine, I like the quality of construction, the technical quality of the processing seems just fine. i don't know what it is, but I just never go "oh, that's the spot right there" Agreed for the most part. Used to have a KB37 keyboard and interface, but never really liked the sound of the toneport or whatever it was. The effects have never felt right to me... same goes for the m13 i tried out in the store, or some of the Pod stuff I've tried in stores. Something just not right to me. That being said... the DT series amps are something I think I might be able to get along with. Spent some time with those in stores and liked the variation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chris Loeffler Posted December 25, 2016 Members Share Posted December 25, 2016 What have you tried that you didn't like? I know the Helix and FireHawk were blowing some minds this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members defaultusername Posted December 26, 2016 Author Members Share Posted December 26, 2016 The last 2 I personally owned were the HD500x and the M13 seemed like at the time they were mind blowers for a lot of people too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted December 26, 2016 Members Share Posted December 26, 2016 Since digital audio has a very rigid and exacting mathematical component, repeated exposure will wear on the same set of synapses causing eventual failure and in extreme cases, death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Since digital audio has a very rigid and exacting mathematical component, repeated exposure will wear on the same set of synapses causing eventual failure and in extreme cases, death. Citation please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted December 27, 2016 Members Share Posted December 27, 2016 Oh, just some synapses that happened on this thread. I could be on to something though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WRGKMC Posted December 27, 2016 Members Share Posted December 27, 2016 My buddy has a 100W with the 4X12 cab. Don't remember the model right off hand. I ran sound for him on several shows so I could hear it live, jammed with him many times and also recorded their first album. Its hard for me to tell if it was just the presets he had loaded up or whether it was simply the amp, but the sound was very two dimensional sounding. He was into playing metal and allot of his presets all had a 300hz scoop to get those tones. I'm not a huge fan of the drives or effects. They sounded homogenized. They are OK if your thing is to dial up tones to sound exactly like an album but that's what also causes it to fail. Tones on an album are mastered to sound compressed. You do that with a live amp and the drummer buries you which is exactly what happened to him when he played live. If I hadn't been running sound and miced his amp properly, He wouldn't have been heard by the audience. Live tone need to be clearer and more dynamic. The sounds he had sounded like white noise This is one problem with downloadable presets. You get some guy matching the sound on an album building a preset at maybe 85db and it sounds nothing like the amps should sound at concert levels. I would need to experiment with the amp to see if it could get more traditional tones to my liking. I did jam with him several times using my Marshall Valvestate on a 4X10 cab and a few pedals and I could bury him playing just bout anything. The difference was like night and day. Again, it may just be he has a tin ear for dialing up good presets. Many players do. They dial up bedroom tones and think those setting will sound good a high volumes and they simply don't because of the way our ears work at different dB levels.Rooms have natural reverb so dialing up a dryer tone is important too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chris Loeffler Posted December 30, 2016 Members Share Posted December 30, 2016 Agreed on that front! Without careful tweaking, modeling (in general, not specific to Line6) tends to sound produced, which sits weird in a live mix. That said, I typically can put that on the player for not dialing in an appropriate live sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteinbergerHack Posted December 30, 2016 Members Share Posted December 30, 2016 [Flamesuit=ON] What I find really interesting is that no matter how "good" the modellers get, we always come back to the underlying fact that the goal is to sound like a tube amp of one sort or another. It seems to me that Line6 (along with the other modellers) is always going to be a weak copy of a really good analog amp, because that is their apparent goal, and nearly every guitarist just wants to sound like something that was probably recorded with a high-$$$ tube amp. SO - if you're going to try to copy a tube amp, why not just skip the synthetic approach and go straight to the Kemper, to get the flexibility of a lot of different sounds, but a much closer copy? Alternatively, just buy a tube amp and do what we've been doing for decades - crank it up and enjoy. [Flamesuit=OFF] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chris Loeffler Posted December 30, 2016 Members Share Posted December 30, 2016 [Flamesuit=ON] What I find really interesting is that no matter how "good" the modellers get, we always come back to the underlying fact that the goal is to sound like a tube amp of one sort or another. It seems to me that Line6 (along with the other modellers) is always going to be a weak copy of a really good analog amp, because that is their apparent goal, and nearly every guitarist just wants to sound like something that was probably recorded with a high-$$$ tube amp. SO - if you're going to try to copy a tube amp, why not just skip the synthetic approach and go straight to the Kemper, to get the flexibility of a lot of different sounds, but a much closer copy? Alternatively, just buy a tube amp and do what we've been doing for decades - crank it up and enjoy. [Flamesuit=OFF] Agreed... I'm more interested in hearing what digital technology can do that analog can't than I am in hearing it try to replicate sounds that already exist in the analog world. That said, it is exciting to think there may be a digital collection of every piece of gear ever made some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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