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  • Can someone share the story of the HC decline?

    Last edited by tshapiro; 05-08-2014, 03:40 AM.
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    Funny, I had written something about the state of the site but it looks like an edit caused the whole thing to cap out. How did this forum go from thriving in 2001 to having hardly anyone here and 1/2 broken all the time? Seriously, it makes no sense that other forums don't seem to have these problems.
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    • #3
      It all started going downhill when you joined.
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      • #4
        snarky replies are the number one cause of death.
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        • #5
          Locking people out of their accounts may be a partial clue too.

          HC has long been a centre for darwinian selection, with the quick mocking the weak and causing merriment for those in between. All that got reversed and sanitised a while back, and it's family-friendly now without the egotistical nut-jobs and spammers
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          • #6
            What the pox happened to signatures, or is it just crappy Safari?
            Last edited by Ancient Mariner; 05-08-2014, 07:00 AM.
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            Grumpy old man from the Yew Kay.

            WTB Emi Ramrod

            Dirty 30 AC30 Crew

            Good deals with Darxcide, MetalheadUK, Farmer Geddon, Lanefair, Chris006, ChrisB, Zoidberg, Uncle Psychosis, Krashpad, Loobs, stevemcb, Prauny, Benecol, Muttz, axis player, Ratae Coritanorum.

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            • #7
              They are studying this site at The Harvard School of Business as a case study to see how many different catastrophic ways a website can kill off it's user base and keep limping along telling the remaining few users they are fixing it, while not fixing it, but implementing more errors and glitches.
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              • #8
                HC has a drummer as a Community Manager

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                • #9
                  Edited due to no sense of humor.
                  Last edited by Player99; 05-08-2014, 06:44 PM.
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                  • #10
                    i don't want to reveal just how much this site is powered by fred durst, but lets just say the better things were for him, the better they were for hc.

                    now that he is nearly forgotten, things aren't looking good for hc
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
                      What the pox happened to signatures, or is it just crappy Safari?
                      Sigs were pulled over from the previous software as HTML... the current software is vBulletin... so they don't look "right." You can edit your sig and convert it - here is a link to a thread with the how-to instructions for that:

                      http://www.harmonycentral.com/forum/...-and-dirty-fix
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Player99 View Post
                        HC has an old, unshaven perv in his underwear...
                        Dude... attacking a site admin like that normally doesn't turn out well... I'd suggest you edit that immediately
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                        "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                        - George Carlin

                        "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                        - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                        "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                        - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

                          Dude... attacking a site admin like that normally doesn't turn out well... I'd suggest you edit that immediately
                          You think being a drummer is less insulting?
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                          • #14
                            OK, this will be my longest post ever, but it won’t let me post this, so I’ll try to split it up, giving me errors … anyway, this is how I experienced the demise of HC …

                            In the beginning :
                            The year was 1995. I stumbled upon OLGA and thought I struck gold. Thousands and thousands of guitar tabs, but it kept me busy for years, I printed boxes full of these OLGA guitar tabs, all wrong …
                            Harmony Central got my attention in 1998 or so, while researching gear.
                            I discovered the reviews and used these as a benchmark for acquiring gear.
                            I started lurking at the forums in 1999, and finally joined in 2002. My first thread was a question about a pedal purchase I was about to make, wanted some feedback. I got feedback within an hour. I bought the pedal, it was a Frostwave Resonator.
                            Trolls were funny, the community was great, perfect balance between garbage threads, spam and informative threads, no mods back then, there were some flameouts and the occasional serious internet fights, people came and went.
                            Some stayed and participated, like myself.
                            It was the great era of HC forums.


                            June 2005
                            Musician’s Friend Buys Harmony Central
                            It was all good
                            Forums became moderated
                            Still a thriving global community


                            August 2008
                            The connection has timed out
                            The server at acapella.harmony-central.com is taking too long to respond.
                            The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few
                            moments.
                            If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
                            connection.
                            If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure
                            that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.

                            HC reached the limit, too much info, too much users, it was time for new hardware , hmmm, and new software, imminent changes ahead, a lot of good peeps from HCFX left and formed their own forum.


                            2010 : the Jive debacle, bye bye User Reviews
                            AN OPEN LETTER FROM CRAIG JOHNSON, HARMONY CENTRAL CEO
                            Dear Harmony Central,
                            We listened.
                            Harmony Central is not just a web site, nor is it bits and bytes. It is a community. This community has been loyal and supportive, and we have been happy to provide a home for what we feel is the most important community in the music world.
                            Unfortunately, that home has been falling apart at an accelerating rate due to a combination of hardware and software issues, many unique to our situation. To keep the community alive, we made a decision to switch to a more capable platform. Our intention was to take Harmony Central into the 21st century with a site worthy of all of you.
                            As you know, that is not what happened. After a week of operation, it’s painfully clear HC 2.0 is not ready for prime time. However, we’re also aware that many people are getting familiar with and enjoying the new site, bugs and all, and we respect their opinion too.
                            So, we are working to create a “hybrid” site. For example, there have been virtually no negative responses and many positive responses about news on HC 2.0, so it makes no sense to roll that element back to the 1.0 version. On the other hand, user reviews on HC 2.0 are, frankly, broken. There are no articles in the 2.0 Resource Center, and due to the video player only recently becoming stable, only a handful of videos in the 2.0 Media Center. And the forums...
                            This is clearly unacceptable.
                            Our plan – and there are significant technical challenges, so bear with us – is to maintain those elements of 1.0 that work until the equivalent elements in 2.0 are equal or better, regardless of how long that takes. For example, if you want to go to user reviews, then you could access the 1.0 version until we are absolutely sure that the 2.0 version is better. If you want articles, you’ll go to 1.0 because that’s where they are for now. Same with videos.
                            Forums are a special case. Our plan is to make most forums available as HC 1.0 / VBulletin forums. There will be some exceptions (like Pro Reviews, as they have so much rich media, and archived forums, as it makes no sense to re-migrate them as they get limited traffic). If particular moderators want their forums on 2.0, that’s fine; if they want to stay with 1.0, that’s fine too. If they want, they can even moderate both and steer them in different directions. We want the moderators – the unsung heroes of Harmony Central – to have full freedom in charting the course of their own communities.
                            Concurrently, we plan to keep the 2.0 forums open for two reasons. First, these forums need a lot of changes for them to meet our (and your) expectations, so we need a “test lab” to try these changes. Second, based on user feedback, there are people who see the huge potential of the new format but don’t like the implementation, so who better to direct us on how to improve it?
                            Unfortunately, getting 1.0 back into the picture brings back its problems as well. But if all goes according to plan, 1.0 will remain viable while 2.0 will continue to improve with the help of the community. In a way, it’s the same kind of transition as when Apple went to OS X or Intel chips; old and new platforms were supported until the new platforms were up to the task.
                            One fact remains certain: We can’t have a site where things don’t work, or that people don’t want to visit. We recognize and deeply regret the disruption to the community. The hybrid approach is risky, but either rolling back completely to 1.0 or trying to tough it out with 2.0 are even riskier. And details need to be worked out: What happens with re-directs? Will you have to log in twice if you want to visit both 1.0 and 2.0? Will 1.0 crash and burn before 2.0 fulfills the community’s expectations? Will it be possible to migrate the 1.0 forums to 2.0 if 2.0 is also live?
                            So please, this isn’t the last word; this is the first word. But we wanted to let you know as soon as possible what we hope to do. We are certainly aware it’s a compromise, but after studying all the possibilities, it’s the least objectionable combination of a quick fix while simultaneously laying down the long-term foundation we have to pursue.
                            Finally, I want to express my deepest appreciation for our exceptionally hard-working team of moderators and our editorial staff, who have taken the heat for problems not of their own making – particularly Craig Anderton. They made a heroic effort to make a problematic site work, but in the end, even they couldn’t. They have all served as extremely strong advocates for the community. The course of action we are pursuing is based on their input as well as yours.
                            Reading over your feedback on the new site, yes, I saw anger but more than that, I saw passion for what Harmony Central represents. We do not want – ever – to interfere with that passion.
                            Your support is greatly appreciated. Thank you for speaking, so that we could listen. We can’t promise this will be a glitch-free process, but we will do everything in our power to give you the site you want now while simultaneously building you a better one, with your continued (and greatly appreciated) assistance.
                            Sincerely,
                            Craig Johnson
                            CEO, Harmony Central
                            Last edited by bieke; 05-10-2014, 02:21 PM.

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                            • #15
                              April 2010
                              The Jive debacle did not get a well deserved prize for worst forum format ever.
                              personally, I consider it to be the 1st major attempt to use the community in some MC marketing ploy, hmmm , also first big member purge.
                              Simple case of a corporate entity taking over a community built site (originally), then trying to reformat the thing and change up the whole interface without any regard to how the community would react.

                              May 2010
                              Dear Harmony Central Community,
                              We will be shutting down the Jive ("HC 2.0") forums Tuesday morning (May 18) at 3AM Pacific Time. The forums link in the top navigation bar will then become a straight link to the vBulletin forums.
                              Jive search will be reindexed that night, and all 2.0 forum posts will be removed from search. Nothing will change for those using vBulletin already, but for at least the short term the community will have to live with two accounts, two profiles, and two log ins - one for the vBulletin forums, and for the content part of the site (articles, videos, etc.).
                              We deeply regret any inconvenience to those who liked the 2.0 forums, and want to thank you for standing by our attempts to renovate the forums to include more functionality. Unfortunately, we cannot continue to maintain two separate forum structures. Based on comments from the community and the traffic stats, there is an overwhelming preference for the vBulletin forums. Although the problems with the vBulletin forums that served as a motivation to change them remains, we are working on solutions to these problems. Please bear with us if there are occasional system outages as we work on this.
                              We also apologize for the short notice, but we want to implement these changes and fixes as soon as possible.
                              The content part of 2.0 will remain, and several fixes in that section are being made concurrently with the forum switchover: News articles will now display properly once you get past the first page, the session timeout is being increased to avoid people being logged off during long sessions, and user reviews will display the overall rating and number of reviews. Additional fixes, enhancements, and updates are forthcoming, and we will keep you informed of these.
                              We greatly appreciate your patience during this difficult transition to improve Harmony Central's reliability and functionality. Our commitment to creating a better site remains unchanged, and we will continue listening to the community in order to make sure that commitment takes the right direction.
                              Again, thank you. We believe the worst is behind us, and the best is yet to come.
                              -- Your Harmony Central Team"

                              So they brought back the vB forum, still no search engine.
                              Then Kaboom,
                              both Jive and vB went down
                              Crappy servers



                              September 2010
                              Pedalbuilders and knowledgeable members are bowing out. Regulars leave.
                              Content becomes mainstream
                              Chat crüe teams up,
                              Immaturity ensues
                              Traffic continues to decline.
                              This is the worst period of the forums. After another member purge, the forums did not recover and things started to deteriorate.slowly.
                              Last edited by bieke; 05-10-2014, 02:22 PM.

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