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  • #16
    Originally posted by BlueFusion
    Well, I'm not discouraged yet, still going to check it out. The book said the reason the g-major had this capability was so that you could use a delay and a reverb together without getting some kind of weird warbling effect. When you put those two in parallel with each other, it stops that.

    Maybe boss already figured this out ahead of time or maybe they had to leave some room for software upgrades

    Whatever the case, it looks like it might suprize those expecting it to be just another gimmick peice. I know I've seen people bitchin' that nobody makes an fx processor that has a straight usb to usb computer interface let alone lets you record thru it. Here is a device that's giving people more of what they asked for and nobody seems too interested. Maybe it's not taken seriously because it has the modeling preamp in it? The cool thing is you don't have to use the modeling all the time or at all.

    Can ya tell I'm gasing over this thing?


    I have come to the conclusion that digital modeling sounds fantastic when used in a recording environment and requires a different amplification system than a tradtitional guitar amp to get maximum audio quality live. I've also come to the conclusion that in most cases it just doesn't "feel" the same, but as far as the sound goes, it's fantastic.

    If you want to run an external chorus in the loop and mix the outputs sepeately outside the Gt you can do that.
    personally, chorus and reverb have worked fine together for almost 30 years in series, so I'm not too concerned about it.
    Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!

    Creativity is a Work Ethic

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    • #17
      Maybe it was just a problem unique to the g major and isn't a big deal in other processors. Some people are starting to give their thoughts on the gt-8 in the user reviews section, some good and some bad. The problem is, which camp to believe? I'm not going pass any judgement until I hear it for myself.

      I hope the rack version is going to be a bump up in quality from the floor version cause at nearly twice the price, it should be!

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      • #18
        Well let me tell you a few things about most of the reviews on HC.
        First of all, if the people in this forum (which is the FX forum no less!) are any indication- most people don't read the manual and have no idea how anything more complicated than a Phase90 works.
        Secondly, Compressors tend to give people fits- they can't figure it out because they don't really understand what a compressor is doing- and I'm talking using a PEDAL here, leave alone a compressor with more parameters in a digital FX processor!
        Third, it all depends on what sound you are going for and your age/experience with other gear as to how you are going to react.

        Now- on to some personal observations about Roland/Boss gear that I've amassed over the past 20 years...

        1. ALL of the Presets SUCK in one way or another because they aren't accurate- What do I mean? Well ALL of the presets have the COMPRESSOR and NOISE GATES engaged and almost all of them are SOAKED in Chorus, delay, and reverb with Long decays.
        They also all have way too much high end EQ to give them a crisp sound when demoing them in a noisy ass music store.

        2. People that complain of "digital artifacts" are most likely (in my experience) hearing the compressors and noise gates competing with each other to decide whether or not the signal is noise or actual signal. You will get a little sputtering distortion as the signal decays and these two battle it out.
        TURN THEM BOTH OFF AND ONLY ADD ONE OR THE OTHER IF YOU ABSOUTELY NEED IT!!!! You will aslo notice a decrease in noise with the compressor turned off since it is amplifying any noise present. This is not "digital aliasing or distortion" as many would label it- it is a result of having too many dynamic effects engaged.

        3. Start from scratch. Turn off EVERYTHING in a patch- EVERYTHING. and add one piece at a time. There is a reason it is called "tweaking" it takes a bit of time to work with these things- it's the price you pay for all the options it gives you.

        4. the SPRING reverb model in the GT is weird, I give you that- you get these little "spring" noises when you hit it too hard (and using a compressor and all that makes these more common, so does using certain EQ's etc... and hot pickups. But a real spring reverb kinda does that too. What I found was that you MUST MUST MUST decrease the density and use the DAMPING features to reduce the amount of "ring" and you can get a surprisingly NICE spring reverb sound that sounds (IMO) more like an AMP and less like a studio reverb. Once again, people in my estimation are NOT really adjusting all the parameters or understanding what they do.

        Also remember that subtely is the word. A hint of spring reverb on an amp model brings it to life, too much sounds like an overprocessed mess. A hint of echo/delay with the top rolled off sounds like a studio recording of a great amp with a nice delay. Too much delay with too much high end sounds like a cheesy digital processor (i.e. overprocessed mess) Try using thegain and EQ's on the amp models or change the speaker model/mic placement before adding a distortion pedal and cranking up IT's EQ and gain or adding an EQ outside of the amp and using it. Or adding more bottom on the chorus effect. Each one of these effects has sooooo many parameters, start with a good BASIC sound and adjust the effects to it, not the other way around.

        .02

        B
        Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!

        Creativity is a Work Ethic

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        • #19
          One fun thing in the GT-8 is the dynamic amp thing. When I was a kid, and didn't play guitar I just figured what I was hearing (distortion) was just from playing a guitar real hard...play it easier and it sounds cleaner. Well, there was some truth to that with tube amps but never as dramatic as full clean to full dirty, but with the dyanmic amp, you can kind of live that fantasy. I just set up a patch going from a JC-120 clean to a Rectifier sound...Pretty controllable and definately kind of the expressive experience I fantasized electric guitar would be before I actually played. It's triggered by VOLUME, so you cannot stay distorted if you are picking in my patch, but it's fun whamming out those big major chords and settling back down into a clean sound.

          It's like "tube feel" on steroids.

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          • #20
            my GT-3 is GREAT for ambient textures
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            • #21
              Gt5 has some great stuff.

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              • #22
                Good analysis BryanM.

                A little "seasoning" reinforces the tone.
                A lot of "seasoning" ruins the tone.

                That being said, do you have some GT-8 starter patches that you have established as great foundation tones? Would you mind posting them for us?

                ~A~
                Blessings
                ~A~
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BryanMichael


                  2. People that complain of "digital artifacts" are most likely (in my experience) hearing the compressors and noise gates competing with each other to decide whether or not the signal is noise or actual signal. You will get a little sputtering distortion as the signal decays and these two battle it out.
                  TURN THEM BOTH OFF AND ONLY ADD ONE OR THE OTHER IF YOU ABSOUTELY NEED IT!!!! You will aslo notice a decrease in noise with the compressor turned off since it is amplifying any noise present. This is not "digital aliasing or distortion" as many would label it- it is a result of having too many dynamic effects engaged.

                  B

                  Although I agree with you, you must keep in mind that there are other artifacts that are more annoying.

                  I ran into a guy here who described exactly what my reason was to get rid of the GT-3;
                  if you used a distortion patch (preamp sim) and you'd make a long bend on the higher frets (>17) on the higher strings, you'd hear some FM-modulation type of sound. Like scanning for a radio channel. Very fake and annoying. If the GT-8 doesn't do this, I might be persuaded to buy one.

                  Also, as a direct recording tool the GT-3 was very good; I made some great tube-like patches (Deep Purple sound) that are still on some GT-3 patch site.
                  MovingNeedles Recording Studio

                  Looking for:
                  -MXR Envelope Filter & Blue Box ( both block logo's, +boxes and manuals)

                  For sale:
                  -Boss SG-1 Slow Gear Manual; VGC, 1979 print. Make me an offer!

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                  • #24
                    Just received mine today!

                    I am going to be spending some quality time with the manual this weekend.

                    I am a counselor for lunatics and retards. I see this stuff on a daily basis. I got attacked with a toaster on tuesday. - nasum

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Kewlpack
                      Good analysis BryanM.

                      A little "seasoning" reinforces the tone.
                      A lot of "seasoning" ruins the tone.

                      That being said, do you have some GT-8 starter patches that you have established as great foundation tones? Would you mind posting them for us?

                      ~A~


                      Hi Guys=
                      Speeddemon- Glad you clarified that. I was only speaking from my personal experience in dealing with what SOME people have described- also it may be more noticable at different settings or with different amp models (e.g. very High Gain models, hot pickups, etc..) I know there can be REAL digital artifacts, I'm just saying that alot of what I've heard people describe can be attributed to those two things in many cases.

                      Kewelpack- I've only had the thing for 5 days and have not saved any patches yet, only gone through things and tried to see what all it can do. I'm thinking of swapping out the Duncan Humbuckers in my Godin for a new set of these:



                      so I haven't committed to any patches yet.
                      They seem to be getting very nice reviews and they are pretty cheap!
                      Check 'em out:
                      http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22670&item=7300926 711&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V
                      Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BryanMichael


                        Hi Guys=
                        Speeddemon- Glad you clarified that. I was only speaking from my personal experience in dealing with what SOME people have described- also it may be more noticable at different settings or with different amp models (e.g. very High Gain models, hot pickups, etc..) I know there can be REAL digital artifacts, I'm just saying that alot of what I've heard people describe can be attributed to those two things in many cases.[/url]

                        I heard it might have had to do with anti-aliasing, but the GT-3's converters were only 20 bit.

                        But 2 reviews on HC do mention the same problem with the GT-8 though. It was indeed with high gain stuff (but hey, I played in a death/thrash band back then, so high gain was the only gain... ), and after that I tried some other modellers that hadn't that problem. I liked the Digitech RP20, but it was way too big. I had bought a toolcase, specifically to carry around the GT-3, but it was like a $30 case! Way expensive for it, but the only thing in which the GT-3 fitted.
                        MovingNeedles Recording Studio

                        Looking for:
                        -MXR Envelope Filter & Blue Box ( both block logo's, +boxes and manuals)

                        For sale:
                        -Boss SG-1 Slow Gear Manual; VGC, 1979 print. Make me an offer!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by euclid
                          Just received mine today!

                          I am going to be spending some quality time with the manual this weekend.



                          Definitely take the time to do the manual. I'm digging the crap outta playing with mine, but I tend to do things the hard way and am already playing out with it. I need some quality time too! I got too dependant on GT Manager with my GT-6 and am making sure I can program all the nooks and crannies on the GT-8 on the board itself. I do look forward to getting a release of GT Manager that handles the 8, though.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BryanMichael
                            Well let me tell you a few things about most of the reviews on HC.
                            First of all, if the people in this forum (which is the FX forum no less!) are any indication- most people don't read the manual and have no idea how anything more complicated than a Phase90 works.
                            Secondly, Compressors tend to give people fits- they can't figure it out because they don't really understand what a compressor is doing- and I'm talking using a PEDAL here, leave alone a compressor with more parameters in a digital FX processor!
                            Third, it all depends on what sound you are going for and your age/experience with other gear as to how you are going to react.


                            Also remember that subtely is the word. A hint of spring reverb on an amp model brings it to life, too much sounds like an overprocessed mess. A hint of echo/delay with the top rolled off sounds like a studio recording of a great amp with a nice delay. Too much delay with too much high end sounds like a cheesy digital processor (i.e. overprocessed mess) Try using thegain and EQ's on the amp models or change the speaker model/mic placement before adding a distortion pedal and cranking up IT's EQ and gain or adding an EQ outside of the amp and using it. Or adding more bottom on the chorus effect. Each one of these effects has sooooo many parameters, start with a good BASIC sound and adjust the effects to it, not the other way around.

                            .02

                            B


                            I completely agree with you here, I think some people get a new peice of gear out of the box, plug in and play one chord then run to the computer to do a review. I've been over-enthusiastic about certain things I've bought in the past and if I had written a review of them in the first week, I would have had to take it back.
                            I also think that there is too much use of the '10' rating on HC reviews. I've never had a ''10'' peice of gear, I've had what I condsider to be a 9 but that's the guitar I have that I'll take to my grave. A 10 would be absolute perfect and I think that could only be possible if the item was made to the individuals personal specs.

                            All I'm saying here is I think reviewers need to be more subjective and indepth and give the item a bit more time before they do a review. With that said, seeing the more negative reviews of the gt-8 worry me a bit. The reason being is because they basically sound like they know what they're talking about in their descriptions from past experience with the gt line. However, just because they don't like it doesn't mean I won't but it gives a rough idea of the units faults.

                            I really like a lot of the new and inovative features this thing has, I also generally like boss effects sound character and quality. I'm getting my rack together and the last item I need is an effects processor. The basic criteria is to not only deliver the type of effect sounds I'm after but do things like allow the use of other amps/preamps, switch channels on those amps, support use with a computer for setup and backup of patches, etc. This thing does all that and more and that's why I'm stoked about it.

                            I'm planning on using my rockmaster with the gt pro so as long as the effects and overall sound is good, I won't be solely relying on its cosm preamp. However, I watched the 19mb video for the gt-8 and I was actually impressed quite a bit so if I find use for just 1/4 of the channels this thing has, I'll be thrilled. Another possibility that's been brought to my attention is one can use an outboard preamp for one channel and parallel it with an onboard cosm channel. That might make for some really interesting sounds and possibilities.

                            I do understand the whole high note bend=FM radio modulation effect, my old zoom 3030 does that but only with certain sound setups(mainly scooped metal type stuff). I'd agree it's in the eq and compressor but if I want that sound, I have to deal with the extra sound effects. I use it for mod and reverb effects mostly so it doesn't really matter.

                            I can't wait to see more reviews later on to see what people really think of this thing. I also can't wait til the gt pro is out and start hearing feedback about it. I luckily have a boss dealer close by and when they get it, I'm going to try it asap. The bad part is that if I like it, I'm going to have to either sell or trade my triaxis for it cause I'm out of gear money.

                            Thanks for your insight,

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BlueFusion


                              I completely agree with you here, I think some people get a new peice of gear out of the box, plug in and play one chord then run to the computer to do a review. I've been over-enthusiastic about certain things I've bought in the past and if I had written a review of them in the first week, I would have had to take it back.
                              I also think that there is too much use of the '10' rating on HC reviews. I've never had a ''10'' peice of gear, I've had what I condsider to be a 9 but that's the guitar I have that I'll take to my grave. A 10 would be absolute perfect and I think that could only be possible if the item was made to the individuals personal specs.

                              All I'm saying here is I think reviewers need to be more subjective and indepth and give the item a bit more time before they do a review. With that said, seeing the more negative reviews of the gt-8 worry me a bit. The reason being is because they basically sound like they know what they're talking about in their descriptions from past experience with the gt line. However, just because they don't like it doesn't mean I won't but it gives a rough idea of the units faults.

                              I really like a lot of the new and inovative features this thing has, I also generally like boss effects sound character and quality. I'm getting my rack together and the last item I need is an effects processor. The basic criteria is to not only deliver the type of effect sounds I'm after but do things like allow the use of other amps/preamps, switch channels on those amps, support use with a computer for setup and backup of patches, etc. This thing does all that and more and that's why I'm stoked about it.

                              I'm planning on using my rockmaster with the gt pro so as long as the effects and overall sound is good, I won't be solely relying on its cosm preamp. However, I watched the 19mb video for the gt-8 and I was actually impressed quite a bit so if I find use for just 1/4 of the channels this thing has, I'll be thrilled. Another possibility that's been brought to my attention is one can use an outboard preamp for one channel and parallel it with an onboard cosm channel. That might make for some really interesting sounds and possibilities.

                              I do understand the whole high note bend=FM radio modulation effect, my old zoom 3030 does that but only with certain sound setups(mainly scooped metal type stuff). I'd agree it's in the eq and compressor but if I want that sound, I have to deal with the extra sound effects. I use it for mod and reverb effects mostly so it doesn't really matter.

                              I can't wait to see more reviews later on to see what people really think of this thing. I also can't wait til the gt pro is out and start hearing feedback about it. I luckily have a boss dealer close by and when they get it, I'm going to try it asap. The bad part is that if I like it, I'm going to have to either sell or trade my triaxis for it cause I'm out of gear money.

                              Thanks for your insight,


                              Well now that was a well thought out response..


                              But I see you are using the Rockmaster- thus I cannot further help you.

                              I had one.



                              Actually, it seems to me that most people that are disappointed by this stuff are really hi-gain users that are trying desperately to get the sound of boiling rectos and 7 string guitars.
                              I have tons of experience, but I'm more into traditional lo-gain tones.

                              Hope it was helpful- and as always, trust your ears! But understand that it is your subjective take on something. A "valid" criticism is "the distortion had too much high end for my tastes no matter how much I played with the EQ"
                              a "non valid" criticism is "The distortion fu@cking sucks donkey balls- my recto on 12 kicks the **************** out of it. This processor sounds nothing like Metallica"


                              at least
                              IMO
                              Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!

                              Creativity is a Work Ethic

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                              • #30
                                [QUOTE]Originally posted by BryanMichael


                                Well now that was a well thought out response..


                                But I see you are using the Rockmaster- thus I cannot further help you.

                                I had one.>>

                                Thank you, but I don't quite understand your dislike for the rockmaster, personal taste? I actually prefer it over the tri for lead stuff, it's quieter, less flubby, and doesn't cost so damn much(big reason). I do like the clean better on the tri but I've been on the bad side of po' since I bought it. I grew up with a peavey amp so maybe I'm a bit biased towards their tone. If I was rich, sure I'd try lots of other preamps but this will do for now.



                                <<Actually, it seems to me that most people that are disappointed by this stuff are really hi-gain users that are trying desperately to get the sound of boiling rectos and 7 string guitars.
                                I have tons of experience, but I'm more into traditional lo-gain tones.

                                Hope it was helpful- and as always, trust your ears! But understand that it is your subjective take on something. A "valid" criticism is "the distortion had too much high end for my tastes no matter how much I played with the EQ"
                                a "non valid" criticism is "The distortion fu@cking sucks donkey balls- my recto on 12 kicks the **************** out of it. This processor sounds nothing like Metallica">>


                                I've been into guitar for nearly 14 years now and I've come to like alot of different types of tones. I don't care much for the nu-metal recto tone at all. I favor stuff like the mesa mark series sounds used on older metal albums, SRV type tones(los lonely boys' tone is also a good example), prestine cleans on an electric, acoustic and even resonator guitars catch my ear.

                                You can definatly see the maturity difference in the two review examples you posted above. As always though, I'll continue to get an 'idea' about a unit from reviews but I'll decied for myself if I like it when it's in front of me.


                                Thanks again,

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