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  • Led Zep: Thieving Magpies!

    It sometimes gets on my tits to hear people going on and on about what a great band Led Zeppelin were. This is one of those nights.

    If Zep were anything they were mainly a great cover band, so much of their first four albums were taken, uncredited from other artists.

    Yet somehow they got away with it.

    You want some examples? Sure.

    "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."
    "Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.
    "Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune.
    "Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."
    "Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."
    "Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes).
    "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."
    "How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."
    "In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).
    "The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court.
    "Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.
    "Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.
    "Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.
    "Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit.
    "White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."
    "Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love."

    Source: http://www.warr.org/zep.html#Thieves


    Further reading:

    The strange saga of dazed and confused:
    http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/Zep/DazedAndConfused.html

    And a lengthy discourse on Page's plagarisms:
    http://www.furious.com/perfect/jimmypage.html
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  • #2
    same thing could be said about the beatles and the stones. i must admit, however, that generally enjoy listening to their stuff more than what they ripped off.
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    • #3
      You've got to admit, though -- they stole the hell out of those tunes. I never thought of Zep as a great songwriting band. Four really terrific musicians that really jived well together for a while, and apparently when on to suck royally without each other.

      Ask me again tomorrow, though, and I'll agree with you completely. Don't what it is with them, but I run hot and cold on a minute-by-minute basis.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by lou_weed
        same thing could be said about the beatles and the stones. i must admit, however, that generally enjoy listening to their stuff more than what they ripped off.


        Nah, cos the Beatles and the Stones (except for "Love In Vain") always credited their covers. Led Zep didn't.

        And if the idea of ripping off elderly bluesmen isn't offensive enough, how about Page's wholesale lift of "dazed and confused" from little known contemporary NYC songwriter Jake Holmes.

        How did George Harrison get nailed for "My Sweet Lord" and Zep get away largely scott-free?
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        • #5
          First how do you credit a traditional song?

          Second they covered blues songs. Everyone does. Big deal. They made them better.

          Third. Jimmy asked the band who wrote the stairway intro if he could use it. They said yes.


          Many songs were leftover from the yardbirds.

          I don't expect too much originality from a session guitarist. But his influence cannot be overlooked. He doesn't care about lyrics apparently. Neither do I. He just wanted to rock.

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          • #6
            Zep rock, I'll forgive them a lot of sins.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ginnboonmiller
              You've got to admit, though -- they stole the hell out of those tunes.


              Not debating how they played them, just that they should really be known as the world's greatest cover band.
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              • #8
                Last night you were pissing on Floyd, tonight Zep, WTF?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jakeowen
                  Last night you were pissing on Floyd, tonight Zep, WTF?


                  While I'll defend Zep as another fine example of racist cultural imperialism (Original Dixieland Jazz Band and Paul Simon round out the trinity), I have to say, it's a lot of fun watching classic rock heads squirm when their idols get killed.

                  That's why I keep these bumped, anyway.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bunnicula
                    Second they covered blues songs. Everyone does. Big deal. They made them better.


                    I'm sure some of the money might have come in handy for the elderly people that wrote them, or their families. Or what about the guy that wrote "Dazed and Confused?"

                    This is what I mean. Why should Zep get a pass on this? They were English rock artistocracy that used their legal might to keep these cases out of court.

                    Is it any wonder that Page was happy to work with P.Diddy? He knew what sampling was, he'd been doing it for years.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jakeowen
                      Last night you were pissing on Floyd, tonight Zep, WTF?


                      I'm cranky. And why the hell not?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by blaghaus
                        Zep rock, I'll forgive them a lot of sins.


                        How would you feel if they had been your songs?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by elctmist


                          I'm sure some of the money might have come in handy for the elderly people that wrote them, or their families. Or what about the guy that wrote "Dazed and Confused?"

                          This is what I mean. Why should Zep get a pass on this? They were English rock artistocracy that used their legal might to keep these cases out of court.

                          Is it any wonder that Page was happy to work with P.Diddy? He knew what sampling was, he'd been doing it for years.


                          Good point.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by elctmist


                            How would you feel if they had been your songs?


                            if they did one of my songs and it made me want to shag the nearest thing with a pulse, I'd thank them.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bunnicula
                              First how do you credit a traditional song


                              Evidently written and arranged by Page/Plant
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