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  • Liverpool, Blonde or California

    The first 2 are used, so cheaper, but I was looking for the California. I'm looking for a clean sound and some breakup as well as a smooth lead sound. I've watched videos and read reviews, and the first two seem to sound better for clean and raunchy, but I'm afraid I'd miss having the Mesa gain when I feel meaner.

    Help. :facepalm:


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  • #2
    I was all over one of these for running direct, but then I saw the new models that are coming out. I'm holding out for the Leeds (Hiwatt) version.
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    • #3
      Oh, but from what I've read/heard, the Blonde would be the way to go for what you describe you're looking for.
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      • #4
        It does seem very thick and full, I could play the Superbowl next time...

        The new ones are more about rock and metal, looks like. Does the US Steel do clean at all?

        Do you feel the Vox clean is not as sparkly and beautiful?
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        • #5
          I have the California pedal. IMO it does clean and slight overdrive very well, but the high gain sounds are not to my liking at all. It can do a nice Santana lead sound with my PRS SE Custom, but it just doesn't sound right for high gain crunch sounds.
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          • #6
            The Recto sound in the Burger video is very messy indeed, but I thought it was just bad dialing. I like Petrucci more, any better there? Thanks.
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            • #7
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              • #8
                Thanks. Larry is a cool player, but he only shreds on smooth OD. Burger has a thorough vid, but all those youtube guys seem to ignore the perhaps excellent active EQ and stick to the Character and Drive knobs for demos.
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                • #9
                  Which pedal are you leaning towards?
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                  • #10
                    Which pedal are you leaning towards?

                    I'm pretty much set on the Liverpool now, for clean and occasional fat breakup.
                    I think I will look elsewhere for Mesa sounds, maybe the AMT, the Calif is meh for that, I think.
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                    • #11
                      Don't rely on a pedal for Mesa rec style sounds, you're better off just getting a Mesa for that. The Liverpool should work well for that clean, fat breakup that you're talking about.
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                      • #12
                        Don't rely on a pedal for Mesa rec style sounds, you're better off just getting a Mesa for that. The Liverpool should work well for that clean, fat breakup that you're talking about.


                        I felt like one of the Character pedals could be enough for my needs, but no. Close, though. thanks
                        I was thinking more tight Petrucci sounds, my Hot British into the Champ is super cool for Marshall stuff, but Radial doesn't make a Mesa tone. :thu:
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                        • #13
                          Somebody on TGP linked to a video where they ran the US Steel pretty clean, and it sounded pretty good. It was actually at about 40% gain, so there was some breakup, but I feel like it has the capacity to still do clean.

                          Having not played them, I'm still torn between the California and the Liverpool. I don't have much interest in the Fender dirt sound, but the Vox clean sound is very interesting to me (I prefer bright tones). Also, I was pretty impressed with the California's range from the videos I've seen.

                          Friday I plan to drive two hours to the nearest Tech 21 dealer and sit down with the four originals- British, Blonde, Liverpool, and Cali- to see which one I want to buy and run direct. I'll report back on my findings.

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                          • #14
                            I felt like one of the Character pedals could be enough for my needs, but no. Close, though. thanks
                            I was thinking more tight Petrucci sounds, my Hot British into the Champ is super cool for Marshall stuff, but Radial doesn't make a Mesa tone. :thu:
                            I'd never buy a 100w amp again, even if I buy a house one day.


                            Um if you're hellbound on getting a pedal that can create Mesa tones, AMT's Legend Series might be a good springboard. Check out the AMT R-1 Rectifier

                            http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/amt/legendamp/rectifier
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                            • #15
                              The R3FX Dual Resistafier is great for rectifier sounds! I love mine. Here's a link to their website.

                              http://www.r3fx.com/pedal-dr.htm
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