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  • PCB vs Perf vs Strip (vero) vs PtP

    I understand the objective pros and cons of each, but when it comes down to it, which set of trade-offs works best for you, and why?

    I have found that because I do more experimentation than anything with fuzz and boosters that perf gives me the most flexibility. Of course this makes for a very tedius build that is very difficult to alter. Sure, I could socket everything that has the potential to be changed out, but I think too many sockets looks clumsy and compromises reliability.

    Ideally, I would love to find pre-made PCBs that are laid out to use bias trimmers instead of fixed resistors. As a workaround I could use boards like these with an off-board pot, but sometimes I would prefer to have a set and forget option.
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  • #2
    I use solderless breadboard for experimentation, and then make the final circuits on veroboard or PCB. These days, though, I'm doing more vero than anything else so I can spend more quality time with my kids.

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    • #3
      Yes, I should have mentioned I do my initial layout on a breadboard. But once I have the circuit, I still may want to take some time (a few weeks) to try different value components in a more permanent format. I find that keeping a build on a breadboard that long especially with offboard components hanging off is very awkward and is very subject to faults, shorts, etc from getting jiggled around.
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      • #4
        When I build effects pedals I usually breadboard an unknown first and then go about either making a PCB board or whatever options are best for my needs once I've found what works for me.

        I'm not constantly fiddling with values once its finished being tested on breadboard. If I were it would be counterproductive building a finished board only to add or remove part of a circuit or what have you? At that point you might as well throw the whole thing in the garbage unless you want to meticulously unsolder every part?

        Guitar amps are another story... I like to build using turret board construction. There are so many amps have similar design traits that it's cool to be able to swap in a few modifications to test drive what would then be a different amp.

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        • #5
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          • #6
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            • #7
              and speaking of which, wheres a good place to order perf board, veroboard or breadboard?

              and what exactly is the difference between the three?

              sorry i am a noob trying to get into pedal building more and want to order some but dont quite see how they are all different
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              • #8
                and speaking of which, wheres a good place to order perf board, veroboard or breadboard?

                and what exactly is the difference between the three?

                sorry i am a noob trying to get into pedal building more and want to order some but dont quite see how they are all different


                For the "what's the difference", question, here's a good place to start (don't miss the chart at the end of the article)

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                • #9
                  strip board is nice for small simple circuits, but the layouts get ridiculously big when it's a complex circuit. I always preferred plain unclad perfboard for simple stuff that wasn't too crazy to hand-wire. The most complex thing I've done on perf board was probably my Noiseswash. Generally, I prefer an etched pcb most of the time, especially since I've been using alot of SMD lately.
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                  • #10
                    sooo...wheres a good place to buy some strip/perf/vero board?
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                    • #11
                      Many of the online DIY shops like Smallbear have stripboard, and I've bought stripboard from Mouser before (Vector brand... nice stuff!). Plain perfboard, I've usually bought at Radio Shack because almost all of them carry it and it's cheap enough.
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                      • #12
                        sooo...wheres a good place to buy some strip/perf/vero board?


                        If you are impatient and don't mind paying a little more, Radio Shack

                        If you want dirt cheap and can wait for a slloooow delivery http://www.futurlec.com/index.shtml
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                        • #13
                          I bought some big sheets of vero from here and just cut it down to size. Their prices work out cheap even with the transatlantic postage. It took a while to get to the UK but should be quicker for the US customers.
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                          • #14
                            p2p is a headache for anything more than a simple fuzz, and even then, things end up just looking like a hair ball.

                            vero is OK if you have a good layout and are meticulous about cutting tracing/making sure there are no unintentional solder bridges, it can be just great.

                            pcb all the way if you can. **************** stays clean, and will probably be more reliable.
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                            • #15
                              Perf is good for one off projects and prototypes as you can easily layout an idea, after bread boarding, out and modify it afterwards. With vero, once you done a layout it is more difficult to modify it afterwards. Vero is good if you are building more than though one as it faster than Perf. PCB would be good but my girlfriend doesn't like the idea of chemicals in the house...
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